David, Again I suggest showing "Running immediately" in the UI status texts. Right now, there is nothing in the UI to relay that status, and I can't even find the debug flags to find the status. :(
In my opinion, you took away something that was quite useful to users like me. I realize that only advanced users should care, and I realize that the original "high priority" message was confusing. But, especially when troubleshooting, some of us kind of need easy-to-access text to explain the situation. Would you consider having the text say "Running immediately" for tasks that are prioritized to run immediately due to deadline? Thanks, Jacob > From: jacob_w_kl...@msn.com > To: john.mcl...@sap.com; elliott...@comcast.net; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu; > r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com; da...@ssl.berkeley.edu > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:34:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > And a user might want to know why such tasks are running ahead of other tasks > that would otherwise have been chosen to run. > > I have a new proposal... which expresses the urgency, expresses the > reasoning, and doesn't use "priority". > David: What do you think of: > "Running immediately to meet deadline" > > > From: john.mcl...@sap.com > To: elliott...@comcast.net; jacob_w_kl...@msn.com; > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu; r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com > Subject: RE: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 13:00:15 +0000 > > > > > > > That is one I had forgotten about. BOINC is probably correct in running these > in EDF as there is likely to be a bit more than 2 days of work on that > machine, and if they > waited their turn, they would be returned late. > > > > Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Haselgrove [r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com] > > Received: Saturday, 04 Oct 2014, 8:49AM > > To: Charles Elliott [elliott...@comcast.net]; McLeod, John > [john.mcl...@sap.com]; jacob_w_kl...@msn.com [jacob_w_kl...@msn.com]; > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] > > Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > > Just observe. I'm currently running two SIMAP tasks which were issued with a > two-day deadline (additional replications required for validation - they must > be using > > > > > > <reliable_reduced_delay_bound>X</reliable_reduced_delay_bound> > > > When a need-reliable result is sent to a reliable host, multiply the delay > bound by reliable_reduced_delay_bound (typically 0.5 or so). > > > Set a two day queue, and BOINC panics. > > > > > Don't judge every BOINC operation by the relaxed timings used at SETI. > > > > > > > From: Charles Elliott <elliott...@comcast.net> > > To: "'McLeod, John'" <john.mcl...@sap.com>; jacob_w_kl...@msn.com; > r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > > Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 1:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > You can still easily get into deadline trouble with either large queues, > > or multiple projects and an occasional tight deadline > > > > > > > > Proof? > > > > > > > > From: McLeod, John [mailto:john.mcl...@sap.com] > > > Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 10:54 PM > > To: jacob_w_kl...@msn.com; > r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com; > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu; > elliott...@comcast.net > > Subject: RE: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > > > You can still easily get into deadline trouble with either large queues, or > > multiple projects and an occasional tight deadline. > > > > Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles Elliott [elliott...@comcast.net] > > Received: Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 10:10PM > > To: 'Jacob Klein' [jacob_w_kl...@msn.com]; 'Richard Haselgrove' > > [r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com]; McLeod, John [john.mcl...@sap.com]; > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] > > Subject: RE: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > On my computer, which is allocated about 300 AP WUs at a time, in late > > September Boinc was running AP WUs due in late October. Then when October > > 1 came it seemingly panicked and stopped doing anything but processing AP > > WUs > > due October 17. That behavior was useful when we could download thousands > > of WUs, but I think it should be questioned now. > > > > Charles Elliott > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf > > > Of Jacob Klein > > > Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:24 AM > > > To: Richard Haselgrove; McLeod, John; > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > > Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > I'd like to see "Prioritized to meet deadline" in the UI, next to > > > "Running". > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Richard Haselgrove<mailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com> > > > Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM > > > To: McLeod, John<mailto:john.mcl...@sap.com>; > > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > <mailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu%3cmailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu> > > <mailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu> > > > Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC > > > workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis- > > > interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem > > > with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue- > > > jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those > > > confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be > > > good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - > > > if we can find a less-frightening word. > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: "McLeod, John" <john.mcl...@sap.com> > > > >To: "boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu" <boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu> > > > >Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM > > > >Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. > > > > > > > > > > > >OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS > > > Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR > > > schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >boinc_dev mailing list > > > >boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > > >http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > > > >To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > > > >(near bottom of page) enter your email address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > boinc_dev mailing list > > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > boinc_dev mailing list > > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > boinc_dev mailing list > > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > boinc_dev mailing list > boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. _______________________________________________ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
