Joseph, Keyweb does _not display URLs and email addresses in computer braille. Keyweb _won't remember usernames and passwords.
Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : This is Joseph. I have explained a bit about this few months ago. Here it : goes. : 1. Yes, HumanWare changed the symbols a bit. The complete list can be found : if you look at the Web Browser chapter of the User Guide. : 2. The fact is that IE is a graphical program, whereas KeyWeb isn't. : 3. You have to say yes when you are prompted to save the username and : password. If you delete the files so called cookies, these information will : disappear. : 4. A quickest way to get to a form is by pressing space with dots 4-6 (I : forgot the QT command). : 5. The thing here is that KeyWeb uses computer braille for displaying url : and email addresses. : 6. I'm not sure about this, but it is assumed that HumanWare has modified a : little. : Technical note: KeyWeb is indeed based on Internet Explorer. Except that the : version that runs on Windows CE, known as Pocket IE, is less powerful than : desktop counterparts. These are some of the reasons why you will see : different things, even though you have surffed the same site using your PC. : I hope this information may help you. : : -----Original Message----- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Pannett : Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:58 PM : To: BrailleNote List : Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer : : Dear List, : : I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I was not home : and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf the web using : my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen reader. I'm not : the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much experience with Keyweb as some : of you but I have noticed some differences. : : 1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look totally alien to : me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes, frames and : tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I suppose this must be : because HumanWare decided to use different symbols and abbreviations than GW : Micro does. I suppose people who use the shark have learned yet another set : of braille symbols and abbreviations. Although I think Keysoft is usually : intuitive, I find Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols and : abbreviations. It's too bad there aren't a standard set of symbols and : abbreviations for all braille displays. : : 2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web pages on the PC : have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, let's take the : www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for screen readers : when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped out at me when I used : the PC. I also found it harder to search for an item using the BN than : using the PC. : : 3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, the text goes : across the line with lots of space between columns. I find this extra space : to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out vertically and the : lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives details about the web page, : but WindowEyes always gives details like: "11 tables, x amout of rows, x : columns x frames and x headings and x subheadings." It also tells me when : I'm starting to look at a new table, but the BN doesn't. Since I can't tell : where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from one table to the : next. : : 4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will automatically : jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the top of the page and : I have to wade through the links to find the edit box. Also, when I go back : and forth between web pages, WindowEyes remembers where I left off but the : BN doesn't. : : 5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't understand why it : exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will remember my : username and password when I go to certain web sites but the BN won't. : Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username and password : and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is annoying, : especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click purchase" at an : online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with one store--I had to : phone in my order. But previously, I had been able to set up an account and : checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC at my location, I could have placed : the order online. : : 6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is fine except : (1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I write in an : edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze and see the URL : or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm using Keymail. : WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything under the cursor to : be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's cursor to an item : without accessing a link? : : Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently from the PC : and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, (Windows CE versus : Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites? : : Thanks for any insight. : : Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. 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