Jeroen--
These are in fact spam, in the sense that they are
unwanted mass emails. If you want to correspond with me 1-on-1,
fine. But please do NOT send me emails which are directed to
others simply because I was subscribed to the old Brin List.
---David
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Subject:
Spam van Baardwijk
Date:
Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:06:01 +0200
From:
Jeroen van Baardwijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
(Recipient list suppressed)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger wrote:
> Since I can't reply directly to Jeroens recent spamming,
In fact, you *can* reply directly to me. As I said in a previous
message,
the solution is quite simple. Hint: it's in the headers.
And my messages aren't spam. Spam is unsollicited commercial e-mail. My
messages are not unsollicited, as they are replies to on-list messages,
to
which I would have replied on-list if that had been possible. As that is
*not* possible for obvious reasons, I must use the method that comes
closest to an on-list reply, which is to send the reply directly to
those
who are active on the old list. They are also obviously not commercial
messages, therefore they do not match the definition of spam.
Jeroen van Baardwijk
Listowner, The New & Improved Brin-L
www.brin-l.com
David Hobby wrote:
>
> Jeroen--
> You are doing it again. I got a copy of the message below,
> which I am not interested in at all. It did not come from either
> list, where it would have been fine. I sort lists into folders, and
> read them as time allows.
> Please REMOVE me from all of your "Recipient list suppressed"
> mailing lists.
> ---David Hobby
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject:
> Spam van Baardwijk
> Date:
> Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:47:32 +0200
> From:
> Jeroen van Baardwijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> (Recipient list suppressed)
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Crystall wrote:
>
> > And I think I'll find out if your ISP likes it's members spamming.
>
> Ooohhh! A threat!
>
> > Mine wasn't amused about your complaint.
>
> So, what exactly did your ISP do in response to my complaint about your
> personal attacks? Terminate your account with them? Give you a warning
> and
> tell you that if it would happen again they'd terminate your account?
>
> > I never opted-in to receive your E-mails.
>
> You *replied* to my e-mail. When you reply you can expect to receive a
> response. That's close enough to opt-in to *qualify* as opt-in.
>
> BTW, I never opted-in to old-Brin-L to become the target of endless
> harrassment by people like you, Arnett and Giorgis. But it happened
> anyway.
> Over and over again. And for some unknown reason, no list admin ever did
> anything to stop *that*...
>
> > The standard these days for maling lists is a double opt-in. What
> > you are doing is spam, plain and simple. Oh right, better see what
> > NANAE have to say about that as well.
>
> And what exactly makes you think I'd actually care what some people in
> some
> obscure and unimportant newsgroup think?
>
> > (Hint: being banned is supposed to send a message to you about the
> > fact that we DON'T want to read your E-mails).
>
> There were only four or five people who wanted me banned, and even
> *they*
> couldn't agree on whether it should be temporary or permanent. The vast
> majority did NOT speak out in favour of banning me. IOW, you are not in
> any
> position to claim that the "we" in your statement (the list as a whole)
> wanted me banned.
>
> The "message" was not saying that the combined members of old-Brin-L
> didn't
> want to read my messages (they could easily have ignored them), the
> message
> clearly said that Arnett would not tolerate people standing up against
> harrassment by one of his cronies. For obvious reasons you can't throw
> *him* out, but you can always vote with your feet. The New & Improved
> Brin-L (www.brin-l.com) is only a few mouseclicks away.
>
> > And...this E-mail, intended for you, is CC'd to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Um, what does the esteemed postmaster at brin-l.com have to do with it?
> It's not like my replies to on-list messages are sent from the
> brin-l.com
> domain.
>
> (BTW, messages sent to addresses in the brin-l.com domain are known to
> sometimes bounce, even when the address *does* exist and no filter is in
> place. You may have to re-send.)
>
> > I'll stop the moment you stop sending me E-mails.
>
> Want me to stop? Contact Arnett and tell him to lift that ridiculous ban
> he
> unilaterally imposed. I will then be able to respond on-list to on-list
> messages, which you can then ignore all you want.
>
> Jeroen van Baardwijk
> Listowner, The New & Improved Brin-L
> www.brin-l.com
>
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