From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: In defense of Biblical marriage Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:53:23 EST
> I don't necessarily think that's true. Especially since prayer is the
> action. Besides, if one has to "balance" prayer with something, anything,
> then it kind of defeats the purpose in the first place doesn't it?
>
Not in Judaism. At least not in Conservative Judaism.
There's something Napoleon supposedly said to his generals that sums it up
perfectly: "Pray as if everything depends upon God. But fight as if everything
depends upon you."
Prayer is NOT enough.
Really? I had no idea anyone knew the answer to that.
All I know is that I know NOTHING of God (as a concept), and that action, on the part of humans is the only tangible thing in this type of discussion. Divine intervention? Please...
Which brings me back to my point. If we have to balance prayer with action, then it doesn't really validate prayer very much does it? Unless one were predisposed to bury themselves in academia of the religious sort.
God expects us to do His work in His world.
Who exactly has been speaking to God, in order to garner this information?
Judaism
teaches us that we are His partners in completing His creation. In Hebrew it's
called Tikun Olam, "healing the world" or "perfecting the world." That God
deliberately left the world incomplete so that people could experience the
fulfillment of accomplishing its completion themselves.
No offense, but I'd rather put my "faith" into tangible things. If I jump into the water, I'm gonna get wet. Things of that nature.
People pray for a lot of reasons. Not just for things but for strength, for
guidance, for hope, for direction. And after that, we have to go out into the
world and put our faith into action.
Tom Beck
Fair enough. One always needs to hope from time to time. But hope is perpetually optimistic. And it's been my experience that optimism is in most cases, a complete disregard for the truth.
-Travis "placebo effect" Edmunds
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