On Nov 24, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Dan Minette wrote:

From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 09:45:53AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:

In the first household, the 15 year old girl is required to do chores
around the house (vacuum, clean toilets, mop the kitchen floor) for
about two hours a week.  In the second, she is required to have sex
with her step-father 2 times a week, taking half an hour each time.
In both cases, she'd rather be doing something else.  Is there any
difference?

Darn that mental block! Maybe its not religious in this case. But Dan,
you are the only one that is making a big issue about forcing females to
have sex.

I was trying to illustrate that performing sex is not the same as, say, cleaning a toilet.

You're right; it's not. One is a heck of a lot more fun. It strikes me as very interesting that you would try to contrast any kind of sex with something most might regard as unpleasant.


Certainly there is a difference in the comparison you present above. But once again you're deliberately using extremes to try to squirt around the issue, which is simply that you do not have a lock on what is or is not healthy sex, and you cannot assert that your conclusions about what kind of sex is unhealthy will apply in all cases to all people.

It's possible to have perfectly healthy, fun and harmless sex without marriage; marriages can exist without sex; marriage is NOT a priori one man:one woman (nor even merely two partners); and however much you might personally disapprove of S-M, B&D or even prostitution, you cannot declare that those activities are universally unhealthy nor that those who practice them are abuse victims.


-- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf

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