On 4/17/05, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:16:11 +0000, Maru Dubshinki wrote
> 
> > That is sarcasm, correct? Because seriously proposing that the
> > universe has no independent existence from a supreme deity is a
> > stance I believe is called pan-theism, and I gather from other
> > things you have written that your 'faith' is not a pantheistic sect.
> 
> It was not sarcasm and it is not pantheism.  Pantheism is the belief that all
> things *are* God, the worship of everything, not that God is omni-present and
> constantly involved, yet separate.
> 
> A lot of people believe that creation, in the Bible, was a six-day event.  But
> most forms of Christianity actually teach that creation is ongoing, that God 
> is
> always present and involved, even though our awareness of God's presence comes
> and goes.
> 
> The rather dismal view that God set the universe in motion and then stepped
> back to watch what would happen, intervening occasionally to reward the good
> and punish the bad, got a lot of support from science during the the
> Enlightenment, as people began to see that self-regulating mechanical systems
> were possible.  The "clockworks" view of God was quite disturbing to many
> theologians, as was evolution similarly; on the surface, it seemed to
> eliminate the need for God's presence.
> 
> Nick

On the surface? It certainly seems to bolster the deist's arguments,
and is a coherent, acceptable theodicy.  And it is an attractive
accomodation betwixt secular society, science, and religion.

~Maru
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