From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I think whoever (Robert Chassell?) said that they thought maybe people _need_ religion hit the nail on the head. When gods and religion were invented, people needed a way to explain that which there was no possible way for them to understand. While we know much more about the universe around us now, there is still so much unexplained that just thinking about it can be frightening.

They also needed guidance on how to behave and think. They needed a reason to sacrifice their short-term good for the long-term survival of the group. Custom and taboo used to be the answer.

I don't agree with those that think that religion is evil, I can understand why people need it and on balance I think that it has played a positive role in our civilization. I think that one of the things that it probably did was allow intellectualism to compete with physical prowess in terms of societal control. This may seem contradictory in light of present day religion – especially fundamentalism – that seems to rely on archaic ideas and superior intelligence without substantiation, but I think it’s possible to look upon religion as a precursor to science!

Agreed, and also, see above.


It seems reasonable to conjecture that the shamans, the priests, the medicine men were probably the first doctors, the first astronomers, the first botanists and biologists the first that made it their life’s work to explain the world around them.

Not just reasonable to conjecture: 99% certain.

In doing so,
however, they must have found that for every question that they answered they uncovered two new, baffling questions. Questions they were only able to explain by inventing deities.

I doubt the professional priesthood invented deities. I think the people did, telling themselves just-so stories in the night.


I do believe that religion has begun to outlive its usefulness and that it is time for human civilization to move beyond the idea that there is some mystical power controlling the universe. As I mentioned before, established religions have a tendency to cling to anachronisms (creationism, for instance) that are an impediment to intellectual growth.

I notice what they cling to is archaic *science*. On matters of (to paraphrase the Pope's mandate) faith and morals, they can be anything from destructive to the best guidance going.

We can’t solve problems by pretending that
they don’t exist or by insisting that the words of an ancient text overrule our intellect. By the same token, however, we can’t just dump wholesale the institutions that insulate us from our incomprehension.


Exactly. Or that stand between a good many people and their barbarian tendencies. NYT Online had an article by Chuck Colson, now a prison reformer; it's very clear that religion has made him a better person. Stories like this abound and have even, as in the 12-step movement, become an institution.

Don't make the mistake Sokrates made - when he deconstructed the Athenian religion (which was overripe for it), he liberated a lot of intellectual energy. He also cut Kritias and Alkabiades loose from whatever moral moorings they once had, since they were ready to follow him through the deconstruction, but not into the higher reaches.


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