----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:04 AM Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth
> At 01:00 AM Sunday 7/9/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote: >>I urge you all to go see this movie. I know that for the most part >>the people on this list agree that global warming is a problem and >>that you already know most of the stuff Gore talks about, but I >>think the movie drives home the point that we can't really just sit >>around and wait for others to take action. > > > What does the film say about Mars and Jupiter? > > 1. "Odyssey is giving us indications of recent global climate > change in Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, project scientist for the > mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, from > <<http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html >>; > "If both Mars and Earth are experiencing global warming, then > perhaps there is a larger phenomenon going on in the Solar System > that is causing their global climates to change," from << > http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html>>. > > 2. "From a meteorology point of view, these long-term changes can > be viewed as climate change on Jupiter," says Adam Showman > (University of Arizona) in an article about the new Red Spot on > Jupiter in the Aug. '06 issue of _Sky & Telescope_ in which the > above quote appears. A shortened version of the article appears at > <<http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1689_1.asp>>. > > > > Those Damn SUVs Must Go Everywhere Maru Ah........... so Ronn! does not believe in the greenhouse effect? I suppose it is pretty convenient when you can pick and choose which parts of the science textbook one chooses to believe.<G> </smartass comment> On a serious note, I can see haw this discussion is much like the discussion on the WTC collapse in that it is not entirely clear how the chain of cause and effect operates. We just don't have the facts that allow us to make precise statements the way we can for say.... how our computers or automobiles work. We know tons of facts and have many workable theories, but they are not tied to events closely enough to make definitive statements in the way we are used to discussing technology and the sciences in general. It is problematic. We like having assurance and are fairly well addicted to such, to the degree that we fear uncertainty and often sail great lengths in denial. We need to know this about ourselves, and know that it applies to both camps in any discussion that contains significant wiggle room. So if we are to accept the hypothesis that there is a (solar) system wide pattern of heating, then it seems to me that we need to show heating with all bodies (in the affected zone). Is Venus warming? Would Venus not show greater warming effects that the other bodies mentioned? And does a system wide pattern of heating preclude any attempts to moderate or eliminate other modes of heating here on earth? For many thousands of years humans have made great effort to change their environment to suit themselves, often with counterproductive results for themselves and others. Should humans make more effort to change themselves (or their habits) to be more in tune with changes they cannot control? (I think there is quite a bit of overlap of answer sets with this question and the previous one) xponent Unprofessional Smartass Do It Yourself Kit Maru (Verging On Obnoxious Frame) rob _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
