Technically, 10,000 frozen embryos could be considered equal to 1,666 children considering the success rate of implantation. You could make a case to rescue those instead of a hundred infants but in nearly all foreseeable circumstance I wouldn't.
I don't consider frozen dots human... These periods are the size of a frozen human embryos. There are 400,000 frozen embryos in the United States. Suppose I save Bush and the Snowflake clinic a lot of time and just run around and adopt them all. I'll store them in an ice cream container in my freezer. While trying to decide how to choose who I'll give them to my freezer gets too hot. It may be just the normal temperature I run it at could be too warm for long term embryo viability, but it looks like they spoil. I don't want spoiled stuff in my freezer. I have also been getting afraid anyway I might confuse it with ice cream in the dark and am worried what they would taste like. So I toss them into my garbage. One melting pail of 400,000 embryos, adios. Now, am I the individual biggest mass murderer in US history? Or am I someone who just took out the garbage? On 7/21/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 20/07/2006, at 12:23 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > > So, I don't think it is helpful to make arguments based on one's > own axiom > set and then expect them to sound "reasonable" to someone who holds a > different axiom set. What we can do is look at the consequences of > various > definitions. This is the point I was heading for. Now, I don't think it's wrong to say that human life starts at conception, but I just think it's meaningless, as a zygote isn't actually any more human than an ovum - it's still a single cell. Sure, it's been given the infusion of extra DNA and the biological kick that'll > I'll give an off the wall example. If one defines humans as > the literate animal, and that one must be literate to be human, > than it is > not murder to kill anyone who cannot read and write....for whatever > reason. > I'd bet dollars to donuts that no one on this list believes this, > but I hope > it illustrates the idea. It's a good example. Here's another, to illustrate the point - a fertility clinic is on fire. The fire service is 20 minutes away, and can't help. On one floor, there are 100 infants. On another, is the frozen embryo storage facility, with 100 liquid nitrogen storage containers, each containing 100 embryos. You can only keep the fire from getting to one of the floors long enough to clear it, the other will be lost. What do you do? I'd be willing to bet that nearly everyone would save the 100 infants over the 10,000 embryos. Because, no matter how much the "right to life" is espoused, no matter how much some people talk of embryos as "children" and claim they see them as equal, people do value babies more. And if you can understand why, then you can understand why abortions up to 1/3 to 1/2 of the way through pregnancy are not considered murder by a lot of people. Charlie
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