On 9/3/06, Andrew Crystall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 3 Sep 2006 at 20:01, Dave Land wrote:

> On the contrary, there may well be better words for it, such as "better
> informed about the current state of the Macintosh line than you seem to
> be." Or, "not just shooting his mouth off without being in possession of
> the facts."

Okay, you're supporting the direct comparison of component lifetime
vs unprotected time connected to the internet without catching
nastyware? Just to be clear.

>  From the page:
>
>      The brilliantly redesigned Mac Pro enclosure accommodates up to
>      four drives and 2TB of storage; offers 8 DIMM slots to fill with
>      up to 16GB of RAM; provides up to two SuperDrives. You also have
>      four PCI Express slots, and more I/O ports - including two
>      additional ports up front.

That's nice. I can't change the motherboard, there are seriously
limited drivers avaliable for graphics cards, sound cards...forget
it, and so on. And when I upgrade, I can't take much of it with me,
with a Mac, compared to a PC. There are no options just to get a new
Motherboard and RAM, if everything else would still be useful.

> Marketing hype aside, I think if you actually look, you'll see that
> not only
> do Macs come equipped with a lot that you'd have to _add_ to most
> PCs,

Like what? Remember I build my own PC's, so that's not something I'm
bothered about. The premium for pre-assembly is a direct strike
against Mac's for me.

> And
> you'll
> find that opening up a Mac and accessing all that expandability is a
> darn
> sight easier than most PCs:

Entirely based on case choice. My case is very well designed and I
have no issues working with it.

> > Blithering. Retard.
>
> Don't be so hard on yourself: lots of Windows users are uninformed
> about how
> far the Mac has progressed.

Yes, it's only 60% more expensive, as I said. Only. Given another,
what, twenty years, it might even become avaliable for sale in a form
I'd consider buying - one that dosn't tying me to a specific base
box.

And "hard on myself", right. I'm REALLY enthused about getting a mac
when all its zealots seem unable to stop themselves from taking cheap
potshots about the superiority of their machines when I have zero
dogma and are interested in precisely what they do - and how friendly
and helpful the community are (which is why I picked SuSe Linux over
Red Hat, for reference).

Given a lot of the professional programs I run are DirectX/.NET
based, and will not run on a Mac without installing Windows (and no,
I'm not a good coder and am not prepared to port them), there is
absolutely no reason for me to consider one. And no, I'm not changing
profession just so I can use a Mac.


I wonder if anyone has two machines, a Mac and a PC?  That way you could use
whichever one seems to be doing best whatever you want to do.  I used to
have a Linux machine and a Windows machine side by side on my computer
desk.  I used both of them.  Right now I've got both Linux and Windows
running on my PC, and I use both sides of the machine every day.  When our
computers get past the horse and buggy stage, we won't have to do all this
switching around.  Everybody's machine will do everything.  All it takes is
software.

John W. Redelfs                             [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR
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