A conversion by a highly educated and very decided athiest just seems to be an unusual occurance to me.
Not at all unusual ... if he has an experience that ... compounds the emotions of love, fear, dependence, fascination, unworthiness, majesty and connection. That is how the anthropologist, Roy Rappaport, described a numinous experience. He also said that it is "utterly convincing." The latter is very important. People try not to be fooled. But if they have had an utterly convincing experience, that means they believe. A numinous experience is an internal experience. Unless you know you are crazy, what you feel internally you think is true. A numinous experience is usually interpreted in terms of the person's culture, what ever it may be. Thus a person brought up in a Hindu culture tends to interpret his or her numinous experience as a Hindu, a person brought up in a Moslem culture tends to interpret such an experience as a Moslem, and a person brought up in a Christian culture tends to interpret a numinous experience as a Christian, even if overtly, ahead of time, he or she was not Hindu, Moslem, or Christian. The only other kinds of experience a person has that are internal are based on reasoning, observation, or experiment. (Experiment is a variety of observation. These other kinds of internal experience create beliefs that can cross cultures.) There is another way of gaining knowledge, of learning truths, that has nothing to do with this. It is reasonable for children and necessary for adults: hearing (or reading, copying ...). Children can expect that their genetic progenators, their parents, want them to succeed. So children have good reason to accept the information that parents provide. That information is hearsay -- it is not what the children have reasoned, observed, or discovered by experiment, but what they have heard. (They may well think of it as knowledge they know culturally, rather than knowledge they heard, since they learned so young. Book learning -- this message -- comes under this rubric.) Also, in a paleolithic band -- in the environment humans evolved -- children could also mostly depend on friends of their parents to want them to succeed. The parent's friends would nearly be as believable as parents. They would not have quite the same interest in others' children succeeding, except that those children would be important to the band some day. That meant that the children would become important to the parent's friends. So children would most likely believe them, especially if they were leading people in the band. (But they would not believe them as strongly as they believe their parents.) As a practical matter, adults lack the time to discover everything by reasoning, observation, or experiment. So grownups too must depend on what others say. This is a key notion. Knowledge either comes from internal experience -- numinous, reason, observation, or experiment -- or comes from external experience, what others say, hearsay. As far as I know, fundamentally, those are the only sources. (I am not speaking here of con men and other crooks, but of people who sincerely believe in the knowledge they relate to others.) -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l