Perhaps my inability to understand this is because of my own background. Raised in the strongest of Marian traditions yet surrounded by traditions that were mildly to strongly anti-Marian.
That means you learned both the Marian and the anti-Marian concepts. To an outsider, the traditions may seem small; they both involve the word `Marian' and may be irrelevant to people from another background altogether. If your mind ... compounds the emotions of love, fear, dependence, fascination, unworthiness, majesty and connection ... then coming to perceive one or the other Marian or anti-Marian tradition helps flesh it out. To others, you would become either Marian or anti-Marian. (Or you might endure the cognitive dissonance and become both, but as a practical matter that is less likely.) It would seem to me that if one were to construct a continuum line for Marian belief, Athiests would inhabit a section beyond (frex) the Baptists and Catholics would occupy a space closer to the center ... That presumes that a continuum line provides the best way to think about a person who is experiencing numinously. As far as I can see, that presumption is false. For one, it implies `shades of gray'. Most likely, a person will attach himself or herself strongly to one or other belief that that person has learned (however vaguely that person has learned those beliefs). Think of a person having a numinous experience in a Bhudhist/Hindu culture or a Chinese Communist/Chinese Captialist/Chinese Confucius culture -- a person who after the experience does not reason, observe, or experiment much and who does not listen strongly to anyone from a different culture. ... perhaps you can give some idea of how Marianism is regarded in higher educational circles. I have no idea. It has been more than forty years since I was at St. John's and I have never been able to figure out what people in higher educational circles believe in general. I cannot help but discount cultural influences on an Athiest, at least in the more general ways one may be influenced by what I would expect to be a competing belief. Usually, a cultural tradition incorporates multiple beliefs -- if only because different people are different. Galen, Plato, and Aristotle talks of four types, the Christian New Testament has four versions; modern psychologists speak of four or more types (they may use a different word than `type'). The memes both compete and cooperate. For example, parts of Christianity are definitely against the reason, observation, and experiment of modernist beliefs. But other parts are for them. Those parts say, in effect, that religions fail which do not encourage reason, observation, and experiment. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l