ok. i just read about 5 days worth of britdisc conversations re: tours splitting them. i want to express support for making the mixed occur in a separate season. this is primarily because i feel there are many other women out there, like me, that enjoy playing with men ( *sigh*, not like THAT!). i played open tour this year with reddog because of this. however i found it more and more difficult to play as much as i wanted as i was a liability on D. (put a tall guy on me and send him deep.) i think there are very few, if any, women out there who could compete in the open tour at its highest level. i played it because i want to be better. i couldnt see this happening by playing the current women's tours.
but now if i want to improve i need to switch to mixed or womens as competing in the top 16 opens is not yet feasible given my ability. the womens scene in the uk is improving and i KNOW we have women who kick ass, but the quality of play is different and the support network for women of intermediate ability trying to improve is not really there. this is NOT a dis on any of the women organising womens ultimate in the uk, i have complete respect for what the womens organisers are taking on, i just dont think there are enough women currently in the uk to support the growth of womens ultimate, a womens tour or proper training for intermediate levels. its either top play by top women or mixed play with a fair number of beginners. i know its selfish to not support the womens scene by not playing womens tour but until there are more mid-level womens teams its not great for self-development and improvement. and, like i said, i prefer playing coed anyway. (im expecting to get shot down for this so please feel free to criticise my take on uk womens.) what i really REALLY want is a serious mixed scene in the uk where mixed tours are made up of mainly geo mixed teams as well as the occasional pickups and where its taken seriously. there are plenty of other fun tournaments for mixed (or other) teams. the tours, all of them, should be serious, in the sense that teams enter it having trained together and try to play their best. if the uk wants to compete against north america, people may need to consider that tours are not for massive parties and getting wasted but about early nights and energy food (not beer!). we're not there yet, but if we want to be a dominant force in world ulti, we need to start acting nationally like we are one, not just open, but mixed too. (and womens as it picks up in popularity.) just look at the north american mixed and womens scene. its as serious as open. thats cool in my opinion. thats how i want to play mixed and im sure there are other women out there who feel the same(i hope!). there will always be fun tournies around, it just doesnt have to be mixed tour. i can see all this happening (or starting on the track to this happening) if the seasons are separate. i read an email (scando?) about mixed starting the season off as a 'relaxing' introduction into the summer season. this is bs in my opinion. the benefits of splitting the seasons are, like i think rob alpen said, that the top players in the uk would be able to commit to both seriously. so open and womens players could also play serious mixed too. intstead of having to choose. i sincerely believe this would contribute heavily to the improvement of uk womens' level of play and to an increased participation of women in ultimate. i know i would definitely support and play womens if i knew i could also play mixed and i believe other women who played open this year instead of womens may feel the same. something to consider though, many women play because they got sucked into ulti via uni. so having mixed tours or womens during the exam period (as someone else pointed out) may not be great. having any tours during exams reduces the participation numbers greatly. (speaking from experience!) is it a possibility to shift the season over more into summer fall as opposed to spring? just wondering. lastly as regards to reducing the number of tours, i think bowers said that it would make the victories more important; feel less like 'oh well we'll beat them next tour'. as a sideliner i think this is spot on. watching the finals at open tours was f. awesome but it seemed less of a big deal. if there were less tours, winning them would be a bigger deal and you'd have to work harder for each of them. no second chances. obviously i wasnt in the finals so this is just an observation, my tuppence worth. having fulfilled expectations of writing as much as i talk i will end my email here. spike # 13, red dog __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp