Hi Brummie et al,
Thanks for the feedback about the tournament. Perhaps I can address some
of your concerns directly.
- ridiculous scheduling as mentioned already by Si Barlow
I wont go into further detail about this but I am intrigued as to how you
would have approached the challenges of writing a schedule for this
event? I would also point out that the schedule was released prior to the
tournament and discussion over it was entered into with several teams
beforehand and there appeared a general consensus that an appropriate
solution was being proposed albeit that there was legitimate concerns from
some that it may not be the *best* solution.
- no free accommodation (i.e. camping)
See I always got taught that you should get your facts straight before you
criticise. There was free accommodation available in the form of floor
space, which in unseasonably wintry conditions may have been considered
preferable by lots of people to camping. This was offered to teams long
before the tournament and was still available and being organised for
players on Sat night.
despite high (£160) entry fee
Once again, get your facts right. Entry fee was £150. This is 20% cheaper
than Mixed Tour 2.
- inadequate facilities and shelter for such large numbers of people (36
teams)
I think I am correct in saying that no Mixed Tour event in the past had had
more than 24 teams in it? The tournament was over subscribed and we had to
make do with what we had. It was explained to teams beforehand that there
would be some overcrowding and that cooperation was asked for. I still
think it is worth it for the development of the division to have let
everyone play.
However, at the captains meeting and in the captains pack it was also
pointed out that there was more shelter and sports changing facilities
available just over the road in the main sports centre. As far as I know
no team chose to take up this offer, suggesting that it was not really
considered such a big deal to any team.
In addition, the Captain's meeting was held early (some people missed
it),
Ok, now we are in the comical complaints section. When do you want the
captains meeting - Lunchtime? Or are you referring to the fact that it
started 4 mins earlier than advertised - despite the fact that it lasted
about TEN minutes and I stayed around answering questions straight after?
and Sunday morning games were delayed for no stated reason and
with no notice.
Sunday games were delayed by 15 minutes because the pavilion was not opened
on time by the University staff. Teams were apologised to and every effort
was made to inform teams of this. Most people actually seemed quite
pleased. This meant that all teams could go through their full warm up
routine on Sunday morning.
Although there may well have been one other than
because no-one had bothered to put cones out, it would have been nice
to know.
Cones were kept in the pavilion which was locked. I would love to know
your suggested solution, really I would. I must admit though I did not
think it was a big deal for the cones not to be out until 15 to 30mins
before game time. Are cones on the field really essential for warming
up? Not for any drill I have ever seen. Anyway, teams were asked to stick
to the warm up areas to preserve the fields, so I guess this would be
irrelevant. All pitches were ready well before the start of play.
I saw water pitchside on Saturday but it was not refilled
(and we played 4 straight games so couldn't get our own).
I never saw one pitch without water with the exception that pitch 1 had
been overlooked on Sunday morning. If more pitches were out of water then
I apologise but the water containers were refilled during the day and each
pitch had access to more than one water container. I know because I
filled, carried them and carried them back.
All in all it was pretty slack organisation considering that it
probably earned the TD £5k.
Now would I be going out on a limb to suggest this is the real source of
your gripe? Either way, do you know how much it costs to have exclusive
access to 12 high quality sports fields for 10 hours per day, for 2
days? Do you know how much staffing a pavilion costs? Or how much has to
be laid out as a deposit to use facilities?
36 teams x £150 entry fee = £5400. Since you think I earned 5k this
suggests you think £400 would cover the cost of hiring or buying fields,
pavilion, staff, trophies, insurance, equipment, rewarding helpers
etc.? If this is true then I suggest you dont go into business.
And lets have a real debate about how much is appropriate from running an
event? How much is my time worth? How much is it worth for me to get a
text message at 9am on a monday morning after the tournament, drop what I
am doing, RUN 20mins to the pavilion to go through 42 bin bags of rubbish
in order to find a set of shirts that a team have left by the side of the
pitches in a bin bag, and may have inadvertently got chucked into the pile
of rubbish?
Must we put up with this kind of [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
another season?
So what kind of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is it you are putting up with? The kind of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that
involves a tournament that runs with pretty minor hitches and mostly smiley
faces, or the kind of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that comes from bufoons whining on britdisc that
the captains meeting was too early? Either way the answer is probably yes,
we will all have to put up with this type of [EMAIL PROTECTED] for another year at least.
Or will TDs actually realise that they need to have
dedicated people running the tournament, spend a bit of that profit on
some staff and make these problems a thing of the past?
Ok, 20hrs, plus 2 hr training, double time on sundays, thats 62 hrs for
each dedicated person you want. Whats fair? £8 an hour? thats roughly
£500 per person. Dont forget they become an employee at that rate as well
so you have to pay taxes on top of that. More than you have budgeted for
the entire tournament. Guess where the shortfall will come from...
Brummie
Dave.
TD. Not perfect by any means, but not embarrassed by how MT1 went either.
On 4/12/06, simon barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just heard from players at last weekends tournament that some teams
played 5 games back to back with a limited 30 minute break inbetween!!
which they couldn't take due to the cap overrunning!!
> then they only played 2 games on the sunday this makes no sense to me!!
>
> Can someone from the mixed committee or the organisers explain why
that was the case?? as that sort of schedule is not helpful to players of
any level of fitness, and will only injure players etc!! giving them
limited time to get food on board will only add to injuries!!
>
> i quote from the H&S part on the ukua tournament guidelines on the
website below, pay particular attention too the first line!!!
>
> Health and Safety
> The health and safety of the competitors, staff and spectators at any
Tournaments is of paramount importance. UK Ultimate sanctioned events
have a required minimum level of medical cover and Health and Safety
standards.....
>
>
> This situation really needs to be looked at as i thought this type of
crazy scheduling was a thing of the past!!! and we had eradicated it!!
>
> Grayson, Hannah & Jamie over to you!!
>
> Si.b (nearly retired)
>
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