I used to think the rules on the stall count were fairly straight forward, but the extract below has left me confused.
I had always believed you could start a stall count if you were within three meters of the player with the disc. If a new player took over the stall, the count reset to zero. If you came back and took over the stall then you would need to start your stall from zero. Am I to understand that you can now wander away from the player with the disc, with your stall count and say 5, and then return to them and continue your stall from 6? In relation to a stall out, once the disc is transferred to the old defensive player, I had always believed that once they had taken possession of the disc, i.e. picked it up or accepted it from the player previously on the offensive team, they were in possession of the disc, as per the normal rules of possession. If they subsequently put the disc on the floor this would be a turnover. The extract below appears to suggest this is not the case and they can put the disc on the floor and let another player pick it up, even though they have touched the disc in an offensive capacity. Could we please have some clarification. Cheers Bob -----Original Message----- From: Matthew D. DiFranco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 July 2006 14:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [BD] Rules on Stalling A rule which I assumed was a no-brainer is actually quite poorly worded in WFDF rules, and that has to do with the continuation of a stall count by a marker who moves more than 3 meters away from the thrower. According to UPA 10.XIV.C.2: Only a marker within three meters of the thrower's point of ground contact may initiate or continue a stall count. If an offensive player stands over a disc without taking possession, the marker may issue a "Delay of Game" warning. If the disc is not picked up, the marker may initiate and continue a stall count regardless of the actions of the offense. The first sentence sums it up. If you are not within 3 meters of the thrower, you can't continue a stall count. However, here's what WFDF 404.11.B says: Once a marker is within 3 m of the thrower, he or she may initiate a count. This consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then counting at one second intervals to ten. If the thrower has not released the disc by the first sound of the word "ten," then a change of possession with a check shall result. If during the stall count, the defense switches markers, the new marker must begin a new count at zero. In the event of a stall, the once-marker, now offensive player, does not have to take the disc after the check. The once-thrower, now marker, checks the disc to the new thrower. If he or she does not want the disc, the marker "checks" the disc by placing it on the ground and calling "In play." Here there is no rule whatsoever about what happens after the marker initiates the stall count. However, it does specify that if the defense switches markers, then a new stall count must be initiated. Personally, I think the idea of a player continuing a stall count 70 yards up the pitch is both impossible to implement fairly and just plain counterintuitive. However, I have seen a team quote this rule in a game, and I have heard people quote it on the sidelines as well. Could UKUA perhaps clarify what should happen if a marker moves further than 3 meters from the thrower during a stall count? The UPA wording seems to take the wandering marker issue into account, whereas WFDF makes no rule, but simply fails to address it. Matt D. Mazars LLP is the UK firm of Mazars,an international advisory and accountancy group. Mazars LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC308299. A list of partnersÂ’ names is available for inspection at the registered offices of Mazars LLP, 24 Bevis Marks, London EC3A 7NR. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately, and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store, or copy the information in any medium. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Mazars Financial Planning Limited and Mazars Corporate Finance Limited are both registered in England and Wales with Nos. 3172233 and 4252262 respectively. Both companies, which are wholly owned by Mazars LLP, are authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority and have their registered offices at 24 Bevis Marks, London, EC3A 7NR. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
