I agree with this to a point, but its important to judge each situation. As i see it, if you are playing at a more competetive level, there is nothing wrong with stalling someone after a layout. Its in the rules of the sport, and is therefore bad spirit (by definition) not to. However, if someone makes a great grab in a less serious or fun tournament, there is no need to sprint up to them and start the count. If a player is clearly exploiting this choice, then obviously it makes sense to revert to the written rules, but this is a serious sport we are playing, and at a higher level its my view that we should play it as the rules dictate...
Tom

From: "John Paul Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [BD] Rules on Stalling
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:03:04 +0000


  Thankyou Phil for being the first person to more or less say Lets use
  our common sense.

  I'm a pretty big sports fan, and every sport I know has grey areas in
  the rules.  (I was actually discussing this with my American housemate
  recently).  American Football have rule clarifications all the time
  and all it seems to do is confuse the fans.  The referees (are they
  Umpires?) get lots of training on interpretation, as do football
  (proper football) referees.  This is so that they can enforce them
  correctly and be made clear on grey areas, and still mistakes are
  made.

  There is no way that we will ever get a comprehensive set of rules
  that everyone is clear on and are easy to understand.  We just have to
  be SPIRIRTED about playing.  I've never played top level Ultimate
  (worlds/europeans) but from what I hear there are rarely problems with
  the rules.  For some reason it seems to get more picky at the lower
  levels were I play.  (I could of course be wrong on this).  A few
  years back I laid out for a disc (a rare occasion).  It kinda hurt so
  I took a couple of seconds getting up - my marker started a stall
  count while I was lying on the floor.  I protested they couldn't do
  this, but they said I had to call an injury if I was hurt.  Of course
  I checked the rules and I was wrong, but I still think it is
  ridiculous to stall someone who is lying on the ground.

  That's just an example, and I know that if this rule was changed so
  you couldn't be stalled I could take full advantage and lie on the
  floor for ages.  But I would hope that in this situation my team would
  get a bad spirit score and this would be alerted to the TD.  So
  perhaps this is the solution - more penalties for poor spirit (stand
  by for another barrage of e-mails) from UKUA???

  At the risk of getting all hippy, lets not forget the fundamental
  principle of Spirit of the Game.

  Ernie
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