Afternoon all, To put this discussion in context, the current WFDF/BULA endorsed scoresheet is online at http://www.wfdf.org/rules/SOTG_v2010_EN.pdf
I think most should be able to work out from this sheet, if it's presented, that the average score should be 'good' rather than 'excellent'*. So, I agree with Luke's first point that the standard system should be used at all times rather than the currently trendy 'pick a number out of 20 and write it on a blank piece of paper' system. Personally I doubt that further clarification would be needed if the full scoresheet was regularly used. Cheers, Robbie * - Even if 'excellent' is considered the average in the first four categories, by giving your opponents 4's in category 5 you're admitting to some pretty poor spirit on your own part. I personally have a soft spot for this as it makes me chuckle when counting up scores. ________________________________ From: Luke Tobiasiewicz <[email protected]> To: BritDisc <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 13:20:38 Subject: Re: [BD] Spirit Scoring I would also apologise in advance for the hand I played in bringing this up at the AGM and thank Jim for biting the bullet and getting the discussion started ... I think that we definitely need to agree on a standardised method of generating the score so that spirit scores given by different teams are comparable and the whole league table of spirit scores at the end of a tournament means something! Quick explanation of how drastic these differences can be below. If you already get it then skip this next part ----- Team A has played well spirit wise over the weekend and has had no real issues. The teams they played have mostly given a middle average of 10 for a regular game. The team scores an average of 13 and comes last in the spirit tables. Team B has played poorly spirit wise over the weekend but has had a couple of poorly spirited games. The teams they have played have mostly given a high average of 18 for a regular game. Team B scores an average of 15 for the tournament, 3rd from top in spirit. Now obviously there is something wrong here as a well spirited team has come last in the spirit rankings and a poorly spirited team very near the top. Apart from the injustice of it all (! ouch ) the teams will take away the wrong message from their placement in the spirit rankings, Team A believing that they've done something terribly wrong and need to address it, while what is worse I think, Team B going away thinking that their spirit over the weekend was very good when in fact it was not. ----- I would suggest 2 simple things that would resolve the issue: 1. Clear advice is given to TD's running UKU sanctioned events to use the official scoring system, there have been a few tournaments over the last 2 seasons where the system has not been used or has been modified in some way, which defeats the point of having a standardised system. 2. Clear advice is given to teams to standarise the scoring, and I would suggest that a baseline score of 10 to which you can add to for well spirited team and take away from for a poorly spirited team is adopted. This would also address Hatden's (valid or not) point of which teams win spirit and why. Luke Tobiasiewicz Fire of London #13 St Albans Club President On 17 May 2011 12:05, Jim Hancox <[email protected]> wrote: > BritDisc, > > Firstly, an apology - if this innocent e-mail starts a thread that fills > people's inboxes then I'm sorry. However, this post is done with the backing > of Si Hill so if you do want to complain, do it in his direction! ;-) > > At the UKU AGM on held last Friday the subject of Spirit was brought up. In > traditional AGM fashion, the discussion went somewhat off topic and the > intricacies of how teams score their opponents spirit was touched on. > > As you know, UKU sanctioned tournaments have adopted the BULA spirit > scoring system for a while now and, on the whole, this seems to have > positively received. The purpose of this post is spark a bit of debate as to > how teams actually generate an opponents score using this system and to, > hopefully, settle on a method of doing this that every team can use ensuring > that all the submitted scores at a tournament are relevant to each other. > > So, what am I really getting at?! Well, having spoken to a few people at > recent tournaments it seems that there is a difference in how teams use this > system. For example, some teams will reckon on a an averagely spirited game > getting a score of 10/20 and then adjusting the score either positively or > negatively according to the specifics of a game. > > An alternative, and seemingly quite common, approach is to always start > with a score of 20/20 and deduct points for anything less than perfect sprit > by your opponent. > > These two approaches could easily conjure up quite different scores for the > same game... > > I don't really care which way of doing things is correct if I'm honest. I > just want to make sure that when I fill out a sheet, I'm doing it the same > way as everyone else!! > > Cheers... > > Jim. > > Jim Hancox > Interim UKU Mixed Coordinator > [email protected] > > www.ukultimate.com > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
