BD, Steve said "It's using the rules and accepting the punishments to your advantage. I'm not saying it's great, but it's also not necessarily cheating if you aren't trying avoid the punishment."I think that's an explicit contradiction of the WFDF rules, which state in Rule 1.2 that:
"It is trusted that no player will intentionally break the rules; thus there are no harsh penalties for breaches, but rather a method for resuming play in a manner which simulates what would most likely have occurred had there been no breach." This, to me, says that breaking the rules is cheating irrespective of whether the punishments are accepted. Tactical rule breaking certainly does happen in ultimate (hands up who's heard someone disturbingly close to home say something like "just double team them until they call it"...) but that doesn't mean we have to accept it. Cheers, Robbie ________________________________ From: Steve G <[email protected]> To: Steven Hunter <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 18 May, 2011 12:50:06 Subject: Re: [BD] Physicality in ultimate Hi BD, I think quite a bit of the flexibility in contact comes from the North American side of things. If you watch any NCAA or NBA basketball where non-contact is also a requirement, there are moments in a game where they do intentionally foul a player to let them have two shots from the free throw line rather than allow them to run down the clock, or get a 3 point shot away. Tactical fouls in a non-contact sport are accepted. With this precedent set, it doesn't take long before players from one game translate that mentality to Ultimate. It's not considered the same as lying about something like a disc being up or down or a foot in or out or diving to draw a red card. It's using the rules and accepting the punishments to your advantage. I'm not saying it's great, but it's also not necessarily cheating if you aren't trying avoid the punishment. I think it's a culture thing. If you play in the US or Canada, expect the odd foul on stall 1 or 2 when it has less damaging an effect for the D but has the advantage of stopping flow. Some teams just play that way and that's a different cultural interpretation of how to play the game. Steve On 17 May 2011 22:45, Steven Hunter <[email protected]> wrote: > After reading the email from before talking about physical contact I agree > that >whilst running or bidding for a disc there will be acceptable contact. Also, >that if an offensive player runs into a defensive player who is holding their >ground this is fine (assuming that the defensive player hasn't moved into that >position for that purpose) > > However, in recent years I have had numerous occasions where players have >intentionally fouled on the mark and when pulled up on this have admitted it >seeming to think that this is normal and part of the game, using such phrases >as, 'if you want to call a foul, call a foul'. In my opinion this is cheating, >similar to diving in football, an act purely to gain an advantage. Other >examples in ultimate would be calling yourself in when out, claiming to have >caught the disc when it is down etc... > > These other things would never be accepted if people freely admitted them. > > Is it just that I have had a few bad experiences with some unscrupulous > people >or is this something that has become accepted in certain sections of the game. >Or is it just my inner hippy. > > Steve > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > -- ------------------ __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
