On a side note for those bored of the conversation. If you have gmail, you
can "mute" a conversation. That way you won't be bothered by it until
someone emails you directly.

Yay google.
> Hey
> I echo Steve's thoughts. I've been coached to "do what you do on the mark
until you get called on it", i.e. cheat until someone points out that you're
cheating. I don't like it. It's not ultimate. We're our own refs, you should
not try and cheat the ref. If you want to do that, go play football.
> Nicole
>
> --- On Tue, 5/17/11, Steven Hunter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Steven Hunter <[email protected]>
> Subject: [BD] Physicality in ultimate
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 9:45 PM
>
> After reading the email from before talking about physical contact I agree
that whilst running or bidding for a disc there will be acceptable contact.
Also, that if an offensive player runs into a defensive player who is
holding their ground this is fine (assuming that the defensive player hasn't
moved into that position for that purpose)
>
> However, in recent years I have had numerous occasions where players have
intentionally fouled on the mark and when pulled up on this have admitted it
seeming to think that this is normal and part of the game, using such
phrases as, 'if you want to call a foul, call a foul'. In my opinion this is
cheating, similar to diving in football, an act purely to gain an advantage.
Other examples in ultimate would be calling yourself in when out, claiming
to have caught the disc when it is down etc...
>
> These other things would never be accepted if people freely admitted them.

>
> Is it just that I have had a few bad experiences with some unscrupulous
people or is this something that has become accepted in certain sections of
the game. Or is it just my inner hippy.
>
> Steve
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