Hey, Another parent here.
I'm fairly sure that there are guidelines for gaps between pitches at UKU sanctioned events. The guys at Cardiff always put on a great tourney and currently there are no requirements to allow enough space for spectators/children around the pitches, though some of the pitches did have ample space around them. It's probably technically the UKU that's liable, but we certainly see it as our responsibility to keep our child safe over the weekend (and during the week the that point). Our team mates helped out too, but that's cause they're great didn't mind. It's certainly not easy to play your best and keep focussed as a team while looking after a kid as well - someone mentioned supervised areas for kids - this would likely drive the price of tournaments up or limit the venues to places that had space for this. Might be worth a show of hands to see how many parents would take advantage of this and how much they would be willing to pay On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Paul Holden <[email protected]> wrote: > As a parent as well I'm afraid that I have to disagree with Nicole on > this. The space between pitches is not the place to have a small child, > even a supervised one. At most uk venues I would argue that the space is > not really sufficient to have any type of spectator but we are where we > are. To say that the ukua or any player should be liable for injury to a > child put in that position by their parents does not seem to show much > respect for the rights of other players to play the game or much sense > given that no amount of financial compensation will make up for a serious > injury to your child. > > Sorry if this comes over as a bit heavy but the level of disregard for the > players on the field by un-involved/semi-involved persons on the sidelines > has been a bugbear of mine for a while now. The space between pitches is > not likely to increase in the near future unless litigation, or the threat > of such, forces it. Therefore the correct response from the community > should be to take a good hard look at ourselves and how we use that space. > > ------------------ > regards, > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicole Cozens <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:33:58 > To: Jazz<[email protected]>; britdisc<[email protected]> > Reply-To: Nicole Cozens <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BD] Rules of ultimate > > As a parent who took a little person to mixed tour, it is a concern. When > we played on some pitches, the only place we could set up shop was the 2m > spacing between the pitches. Other pitches were much better as there was > spacing provided by the cricket square or some other feature that I forget. > Obviously as our little person is really quite little (18 months) we made > sure there was always someone with her and she didn't go too near the > sideline/disc. > > As my husband and I play on the same team it is inevitable that our > daughter will be on the sidelines of our game unless Dan and I play one > game on, one game off with each other. We could've set up a space for our > daughter at the foot of pitches but that would've had significant playing > implications as our team couldn't have looked after Catherine as they were > being sideline on the sideline rather than the footline.... > > I think with just a little more space between the pitches it would > certainly ease the concerns of parents, plus lessen the laying out on to > bikes/nalgenes/other things that cause owiness. > > I think the other emailers are right that the problem with this is the > trying to shoehorn a bazillion teams in to a small space > . > How do the other side live? What space is available at North American top > tournaments (ECC and the such?). It would be interesting to compare. > Certainly at the international tournaments I've played at the spacing > between pitches has seemed slightly bigger. Where do the guidelines come > from? UKU or WFDF? > > Re: legality I'm fairly sure we have personal liability covered by the UKU > so if someone landed on Catherine and we got persuaded by a no win no fee > solicitor type thing I think our UKU membership covers such an eventuality, > and the liability of the TDs presuming everyone followed the guidelines. > Si? > > Nicole > Brighton etc. > > > ________________________________ > From: Jazz <[email protected]> > To: britdisc <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BD] Rules of ultimate > > This is an issue that's probably been swept under the carpet for a while > now. > > I'm sure we've all seen players collide with bags, spectators, other > players etc, with varying degrees of injury. My own personal pet hate is > when players dump their bicycles between adjoining pitches, but that would > all be nothing compared to landing on someone's kid. > > In any such event, who might be liable - the player, the UKU (as the > official sanctioning body of the tournament), or the TD for not enforcing > distance guidelines? > > Demand from teams encourages TDs to squeeze in as many fields as possible. > Perhaps this potential liability, or some pressure from the UKU might > encourage them to ensure proper pitch spacing. > > That said, I think there's also a point about us as players respecting the > sidelines and distances too. > > All the best folks > > Jazz > Thundering Herd > > > > On 3 Apr 2012, at 14:09, Luke Tobiasiewicz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Regarding kids ... Despite the relatively small chance of discs > > hitting kids on the sideline there is a much greater likelihood of > > players running into / jumping on or laying through spectators on the > > sideline. I have seen a lot of examples of this including layouts into > > a buggy (luckly empty), through a seated spectator (not so lucky) as > > well as personally landing on a small kid (I was pretty shaken and > > luckily no lasting damage). > > > > I know there are UKU & WFDF guidelines in place regarding distances > > between pitches & other things (5m) and location of spectators (within > > 2m should be able to move out the way quickly). Perhaps these need to > > be enforced more strictly on / by TD's ... perhaps the rules needs to > > be tightened up somewhat ... eg: Nothing to be within 2m of the pitch: > > bags, people, waterbottles, discs. This would have the added benefit > > of reducing the number of times you have to ask spectators to clear a > > sideline ... or kick bags out the way ... or wind yourself (or worse) > > landing on one of those dammed unbreakable nalgenes :-) > > > > Luke T > > > > On Apr 3, 2012 1:03 PM, "Paul Waite" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> no change in rules in turnovers section 13 of WFDF 2009 > >> 13.1.7. the thrower has not released the disc before the marker first > starts to say the > >> word “ten” in the stall count (a “stall-out”) > >> > >> V > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Felix <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012, 12:35 > >> Subject: Re: [BD] Rules of ultimate > >> > >> Hi Dan, > >> > >> You'll find a lot of people claim the rules have recently changed, this > is > >> usually because they trust somebody who has recently got the rules > wrong. > >> I've seen people I trust get the rules wrong, and I've gotten the rules > >> wrong in at least one important situation myself - memory and > >> interpretation are never perfect, so instead I recommend reading through > >> the current rules at the start of each season, as rule discussions > during > >> games are almost inevitable it seems - and you want at least half a leg > to > >> stand on. > >> To my knowledge there have been no WFDF rule changes since 2009. > >> > >> Regarding kids on the sidelines, I also worry about that - I've seen > many a > >> high disc come down hard and fast five meters out the side of the > pitch... > >> but I guess it's a question of likelihood, and in reality we're talking > >> about 1 in 10,000 chance it'll come down on a buggy or something, if > one is > >> on the sideline. Still, I don't like those odds (though I did just make > >> them up). > >> > >> I've seen odd tournaments / leagues in the USA where they have areas > where > >> kids and toddlers are being supervised - not sure whether it's a > voluntary > >> thing with parents taking shifts or what, but as the sport (and thus the > >> players of the sport) mature, perhaps it's something someone should > think > >> about making happen over here too. > >> > >> Felix > >> > >> > >> > >> On 31 March 2012 10:20, Daniel Ferneyhough <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Morning Britdisc, > >>> > >>> After hearing a few times over the past couple of weeks about changes > to > >>> rules, specifically stall outs being the n of ten instead of t, I went > on a > >>> search for clarification. As yet I haven't found anything in the 2009 > wfdf > >>> rules (the current rules used by ukua), please can someone confirm deny > >>> this? > >>> > >>> Also, at mt1 last week, I noticed a number of small children on the > >>> sidelines of games, not always directly supervised. I was wondering > what > >>> the ukua's stance is on this and what measures they have in place to > >>> mitigate the risk of injury by player or disc. Whilst I completely > >>> understand parents bringing their children to competition, when they > are > >>> sitting so close to sidelines there is a risk that they could get > caught up > >>> in play. Whilst this hasn't happened yet, this could have terrible > >>> consequences for the child, the players involved and the sport in the > uk. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dan Ferneyhough > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> BritDisc mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > >>> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > >>> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> BritDisc mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > >> __________________________________________________ > >> BritDisc mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > > __________________________________________________ > > BritDisc mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
