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Subject: Re: Fwd: [BSDcert] junior, senior system administrator (?)

Arnaud Bergeron wrote:
> 
>> BTW, I don't like sendmail, prefer Postfix instead.
> 
> 
> Everyone has his favorite, of course.  That's why we shouldn't be
> app-specific.

Personal preferences aside (I am almost to the point of despising
Sendmail myself), I believe there is still merit in considering Sendmail 
by default for BSD certification tracks.

o It is part of the base operating system for at least FreeBSD and
   OpenBSD (never used any others.) OpenBSD goes so far as to
   include an optimized/hardened fork of it with their system. Other
   MTAs are available as ports or packages at best and need to
   be retrofitted into the system using mailwrapper or other
   modifications.
o It is arguably the most ubiquitous piece of application software
   in BSD servers in history.
o It is still the #1 MTA on the Internet even though so many people
   claim to dislike it.
o It is undoubtedly the most capable and featureful MTA available.
o You can't run from it. It's always going to be there. You may not
   use it now or like to use it ever, but chances are that future
   employment will put you in a position where you must know it.

I think its slightly unfair to harp on sendmail for being application 
specific any more than it is to call foul on CVS, for example. You HAVE 
to know and understand CVS to maintain your BSD systems (in one form or 
another) although you could say that it is application specific along 
with Subversion, RCS, CVSup or others.

So yes, while I agree that it is application specific knowhow, my 
opinion is that Sendmail needs to be considered part of the core 
knowledge for BSD systems management.

DS
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I am not sure how much of this dialog I have missed, but here's my two
cents.  Breaking the certification down into different levels may be an
option here rather than having a single monolithic certification.  Providing
a certification for a Junior Sys Admin that doesn't require the advanced
knowledge needed to get Sendmail up/running/hardened seems like an
intelligent thing to do.  Having a more advanced certification for System
Administration that is up front about the application requirements would
offer the benefit of allowing backup operators, daily administrators as
opposed to system architects to become certified and demonstrate their
ability to complete their jobs to peers and management without requiring
them to become Sendmail gurus. (sorry, run-on sentence.... :)

JS


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