Arnaud Bergeron wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:59:00 -0500, Jim Brown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


* Arnaud Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-03-18 21:30]:


I would like to point out that some objectives pointed out by people
involve knowledge with specific application that not everybody wants
to use. For example:


True- but consider that an admin has to be flexible enough
to do this in most corporate situations. Still doesn't apply
to you? Well, what if you change jobs, your app vendor goes out
of business, or you get a new boss who brings in his own apps?



This can happen especially if you do the certification with a particular app then the boss gets HIS apps in as you said.



My point is that it's too easy for admins to never get out of
their 'comfort zone', and they lose that 'edge'.



I agree this is a problem to look into but unfortunatly, you can't expect to learn everything.



OTOH, I do think the certification should be limited to
more or less 'standard' services. I don't think we should
ask someone detailed questios about setting up rwhoisd , silc
or other even more esoteric services.



The point I was trying to make (maybe with a bad example) is that by forcing any particular app to be used for the cert, even for something as dominant as Apache or sendmail, you close the doors to those who don't want or don't know how to use it. I think it should instead focus on particular requirements or tasks.



True, yes but I think the key is to focus on pretty much what you get by default. Look at CCNE it covers OSPF, should I demand that Cisco drop OSPF out simply because my CEO refuses to use the protocol, because he prefers EGIRP?

Now with regards to sendmail, on FreeBSD you have /etc/mail/mailer.conf where one defines their mail services and of course in rc.conf where you actually turn it on. I think questions based on this level would be appropriate for a jr admin to know. Even with a sr admin I don't think we will waste much time on sendmail for instance beyond the basics, only because I believe sendmail.com has or has been working on their own certifications so why duplicate the effort? With regards to apache I love it but it is not stock to BSD so beyond knowing the location of the conf files I don't think it should enter into discussions.

I would deviate only on the important issues like cvsup for instance. Sure a jr will some day need to become a cvs whiz, but to maintain a server and help me keep it up to date cvsup is a good example of jr knowledge set.

so that's another $0.02, what am I up to a dime now? ;-D

Best Regards,
Jim B.

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