On Monday 12 September 2005 14:28, you wrote:

> >The obvious point, that you chose to miss,  was that
> >there are a number of certs with engineer in the title, some going back
> > over 20 years so submitting Engineer as a title, is not novel or unusual,
> > but as I have already said, there are alternatives.
>
> I didn't miss the point. 


Well it didn't come across that way.


> The fact that IT vendors have chosen to insult 
> the profession of engineering, and been doing it for a long time,
> remains an insufficient reason to increase the damage.
> My larger point is this: If you make a very high quality and desirable
> certification, the name isn't worth getting excited over. If the cert
> provides value to job-seekers, to their employers and to the BSD
> community at large, most reasonable names will do fine. There are issues
> that require far more attention than what the thing's called.

"the name isn't worth getting excited over"

But apparently, some people do, don't they.

I offered some choices and explained why.

I offered some changes. 

Someone offered a number system.

Yes but you seem to be the one getting overly excited.

I have also offered my opinions on what they should contain.  I am really 
dismayed at the present  'mix and muddle'  between high level and low level 
content.  
There are books teaching total systems.  
A BSD certification should give people and employers confidence that they can 
do a set job with a high level of expertise.


> For all I care, the first level can be called "BSD Certified Daemon",
> and the envelope containing your certificate has two little horns
> included....
>
> - Evan



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