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1. Re: Openmoko Bug #1864: Keyboard needs to have a
non-predictive mode (Openmoko Public Trac)
2. Re: Openmoko Bug #1728: SMS parser bug? (Openmoko Public Trac)
3. Re: Openmoko Bug #1728: SMS parser bug? (Openmoko Public Trac)
4. Re: Openmoko Bug #1862: stop boot (Openmoko Public Trac)
5. Re: Openmoko Bug #1864: Keyboard needs to have a
non-predictive mode (Openmoko Public Trac)
6. Re: Openmoko Bug #1728: SMS parser bug? (Openmoko Public Trac)
7. Re: Openmoko Bug #1864: Keyboard needs to have a
non-predictive mode (Openmoko Public Trac)
8. Re: Openmoko Bug #1864: Keyboard needs to have a
non-predictive mode (Openmoko Public Trac)
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#1864: Keyboard needs to have a non-predictive mode
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Reporter: iknowjoseph | Owner: openmoko-devel
Type: defect | Status: closed
Priority: normal | Milestone:
Component: unknown | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: normal | Resolution: duplicate
Keywords: 2008.8, keyboard, predictive | Blockedby:
Reproducible: always | Blocking:
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Comment(by iknowjoseph):
Replying to [comment:14 Yorick]:
> a) The question is not about turning prediction off, but _providing_ a
way to turn it off and on. Because I don't think it will be possible to
use those "hints on the input", because even under normal circumstances
(like in an SMS) where English-speaking people would like the predictive
input you will sometimes type names of people/places
This is exactly what I want. Apologies if it wasn't clear before, but I
want the standard 2008.8 keyboard, in predictive mode, but with a button
to toggle that mode on and off. On my SonyEricsson I can hold down the *
key and it gives me the same keyboard, but with the predictive mode
toggled off.
To be honest, this would be the simplest the keyboard could be whilst
still operating in a useful manner. A more advanced (although I can't
imagine difficult) solution would be to automatically turn off the
predictive keyboard when entering a web address, password, config setting,
etc.
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864#comment:17>
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openmoko trac
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#1728: SMS parser bug?
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Reporter: odlg | Owner: tick
Type: defect | Status: in_testing
Priority: high | Milestone:
Component: Qtopia | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: major | Resolution:
Keywords: | Blockedby:
Reproducible: | Blocking:
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Comment(by odlg):
My Freerunner is up2date from
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/ as of now, got a lot of
qtopia updates. It does not work yet. See the screenshots.
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1728#comment:22>
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openmoko trac
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#1728: SMS parser bug?
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Reporter: odlg | Owner: tick
Type: defect | Status: in_testing
Priority: high | Milestone:
Component: Qtopia | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: major | Resolution:
Keywords: | Blockedby:
Reproducible: | Blocking:
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Comment(by tick):
It was built at Aug 23, not Aug 27
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1728#comment:23>
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--- Begin Message ---
#1862: stop boot
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Reporter: therippo | Owner: openmoko-devel
Type: defect | Status: new
Priority: high | Milestone:
Component: unknown | Version: GTA02v6
Severity: critical | Resolution:
Keywords: boot freeze | Blockedby:
Reproducible: | Blocking:
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Comment(by octavsly):
Did you try to log into uboot NAND/NOR flash?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner
for NAND: Press and hold PWR then AUX
for NOR: Press and hold AUX then PWR
Any luck?
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1862#comment:3>
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openmoko trac
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--- Begin Message ---
#1864: Keyboard needs to have a non-predictive mode
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Reporter: iknowjoseph | Owner: openmoko-devel
Type: defect | Status: closed
Priority: normal | Milestone:
Component: unknown | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: normal | Resolution: duplicate
Keywords: 2008.8, keyboard, predictive, pm | Blockedby:
Reproducible: always | Blocking:
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Changes (by zecke):
* keywords: 2008.8, keyboard, predictive => 2008.8, keyboard,
predictive, pm
Comment:
Replying to [comment:17 iknowjoseph]:
> Replying to [comment:14 Yorick]:
> > a) The question is not about turning prediction off, but _providing_ a
way to turn it off and on. Because I don't think it will be possible to
use those "hints on the input", because even under normal circumstances
(like in an SMS) where English-speaking people would like the predictive
input you will sometimes type names of people/places
>
> This is exactly what I want. Apologies if it wasn't clear before, but I
want the standard 2008.8 keyboard, in predictive mode, but with a button
to toggle that mode on and off. On my SonyEricsson I can hold down the *
key and it gives me the same keyboard, but with the predictive mode
toggled off.
>
> To be honest, this would be the simplest the keyboard could be whilst
still operating in a useful manner. A more advanced (although I can't
imagine difficult) solution would be to automatically turn off the
predictive keyboard when entering a web address, password, config setting,
etc.
Well, we are extremely limited on hardware keys (we only have two) and
also limited on screen real estate. In the Opie/Qtopia world we have a way
to switch between keyboards since 2000, the X11 world does not offer
anything like that and it takes time to even get basics like keyboard
switching done... Anyway I can provide keyboards and #1764 needs
addressing to select them.
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864#comment:18>
docs.openmoko.org <http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/>
openmoko trac
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--- Begin Message ---
#1728: SMS parser bug?
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Reporter: odlg | Owner: tick
Type: defect | Status: in_testing
Priority: high | Milestone:
Component: Qtopia | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: major | Resolution:
Keywords: | Blockedby:
Reproducible: | Blocking:
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Comment(by tick):
It was built at Aug 23, not Aug 27
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1728#comment:23>
docs.openmoko.org <http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/>
openmoko trac
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--- Begin Message ---
#1864: Keyboard needs to have a non-predictive mode
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Reporter: iknowjoseph | Owner: openmoko-devel
Type: defect | Status: closed
Priority: normal | Milestone:
Component: unknown | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: normal | Resolution: duplicate
Keywords: 2008.8, keyboard, predictive, pm | Blockedby:
Reproducible: always | Blocking:
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Comment(by zecke):
Replying to [comment:16 Yorick]:
>
> On every phone I know it is possible to turn it of during use. There
should be a button to enable or disable it withouth having to go to
exposure.
Sure, mentioned that to PM in June. But on your phone you probably use "*"
to switch between modes. What you ask is to have "modes" and "keyboards".
I think we should only go for keyboards. Which brings the technical
question how to switch keyboards fast if one is provided by a Gtk+, the
other by a EFL and a third one with a Qt process. Everything is easy if
you go to an island and control everything, allow keyboards to be written
with any language and keyboard requires a lot more effort to get basics
done.
If this is not feasable in the short run, even having to set it in
exposure will make it A LOT more useful (most people will turn it of the
first time they boot and keep it of I think...).
Okay, #1764 here...
> But I keep asking myself: what do you find wrong with Rasters keyboard?
Nothing. When we decided to go to for the Qtopia keyboard raster's
keyboard didn't have good prediction, it leaked memory, it had no zoom, no
selection of different keymaps....One was unable to use it without a
stylus leave alone a ride in a car. So I was asked to port the Qtopia
keyboard and roughly spend six hours on it, raster has spend at least
three weeks working on his keyboard. And using the Qtopia keyboard allowed
him, or made him, to rewrite his keyboard to be better.
> It has every functionality the standard 2008.8 has AND MORE.
It was not back then.
> Only problem is that the full-qwerty sometimes gets beaten by the
standard one and we need to reboot, but even then we are not worse of then
with the standard keyboard.
I don't follow.
> Do you use the FreeRunner as your daily phone zecke?
I'm one of the fews that do. It is my primary phone and I take it with me
on my travels and rely on it to make "emergency" calls when I'm totally
lost.
> Have you tried playing in the terminal?
I don't use a terminal. My primary use case is to write SMS and that is
possible. The frustration of zooming and waiting for it to select is
nothing compared to not being able to write SMS in public transportation
or the jittering of raster's current zoom widget (experience from raster's
keyboard).
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864#comment:19>
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openmoko trac
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
#1864: Keyboard needs to have a non-predictive mode
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Reporter: iknowjoseph | Owner: openmoko-devel
Type: defect | Status: closed
Priority: normal | Milestone:
Component: unknown | Version: Om2008.8
Severity: normal | Resolution: duplicate
Keywords: 2008.8, keyboard, predictive, pm | Blockedby:
Reproducible: always | Blocking:
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Comment(by zecke):
Small hint: You can put "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" into
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89Qtopia and qpe will not instantiate a virtual
keyboard and illume's keybord should be shown.
See:
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=b3d1d38877b5b433c81e18c34484856ce7bd0955
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Ticket URL: <https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864#comment:20>
docs.openmoko.org <http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/>
openmoko trac
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