I think you may have meant "Kori." I haven't weighed in on this topic (yet).
73, Ravi N5OL
On 2/3/2021 11:34 AM, Jimmy Vance via
BVARC wrote:
On the ULS, you can get name and address
On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is where they get their primary data. You can choose to display more if you want to. Only registered and logged in QRZ members can see a listed email address and you can choose to list an email or not
Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our information in several places on the web. Until today I and a few others I've spoken with since this thread started were unaware that the bvarc listserve emails were available in a searchable public web archive.
If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or to the listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice, there is a link to access archives, but if you try to access the link, you get a message that states the archives are not available.
The BVARC Archives
You can get more information about this list.
Currently, there are no archives.
I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from this message that the list emails are not being archived on the web as it is an optional feature of the listserve software. (Well at least for those of us that have managed or run a mailman server know archives are an option) There is no mention on any of the listserve pages that all emails through the list server are being gathered and stored on a system not under the control of BVARC and available to anyone on the internet. While a mailing list is by no means private or secure as anyone on the list could 'share' whatever lands in their inbox; additional steps are required to share the content from list emails. The mail archive service is getting the messages directly and presenting them to anyone, not just those subscribed to the list. While it looks like the mail archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I can tell it does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.
When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the expectation is pretty much anyone on the internet can read it. When one sends an email to an organizations email list, the general expectation is only those subscribed to the email list are going to be the ones to see it
Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the ability to access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers
--jv
On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS and othercorrespondence worldwide...
On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell anotherthat he is good on QRZ....
that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someonewants to contact him..
On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our memberstell someone he is good on the roster.. meaning his contact info is up to date..
this is what hams do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keepingthat can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call sign..
We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..And we also have the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster...
(to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his email... Just kidding,email: w...@bvarc.org.. or me directly eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain the website )
HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the FCCs website.So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your ham information covering the globewith many many other websites that WILL NOT remove you..
In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the BVARC REFLECTORs pastmessages.. (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other users (club members and some non club menbers)and also shared on the web publicly from our website..
Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so folks can find out aboutham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club!!!(patting myself on the back for a job well done... )
Eddie Runner eddie.run...@yahoo.com NU5K
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too. I'd rather that not be publicly posted.
-K15MKV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote:
Hello all!________________________________________________
So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to send me spam calls) that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This seems like a major security issue to me and should be fixed. I have to wonder who is sending these emails to this website??? If the club is doing this they should inform us that anything we say on this list is not a private email but a public statement to all of the internet and everyone on the planet.
I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the club was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see.... Maybe this is the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about sending anything out now and censoring my email signature. This must be laid out clearly to all new members.
One of many offending post:https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/msg09908.html
The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with my welcome to the list:
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
Look.... I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I get, but this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've been a member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. I just feel there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is.
- My call is in the offending link
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
BVARC mailing list
BVARC@bvarc.org
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
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