All, As the originator of this email I want to clarify a few things and suggest a solution. I did not want to include my call sign in the email because I did not want that email to be the next thing to pop up in a search for my call. Although I'll admit I was off about some things I said. I am well aware (and have been aware) that my call sign and all info on my license can be found on the FCC ULS website <https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp>, and is mirrored on the QRZ website <https://www.qrz.com/>(as well as some data you can provide which may or may not be shielded from non-hams).
*To be clear*: BVARC is in no way responsible for what is on the ULS and QRZ. What's on those sites is what you provide to the FCC or QRZ and the public access to that data is plainly stated by both. BVARC was very up front about what would be posted on the *roster *(here <https://www.bvarc.org/index1.php?page=roster>) in the "Welcome to BVARC!" email, and clearly stated (at least in the version of the email I got in December) that they will immediately remove any or all information on the roster if you so desire. With that said: I believe the real issue/concern here is that the BVARC reflector is a PUBLIC FORUM *and *that was not made clear to us (as is echoed by others in this email chain). I have no problem with the reflector being a public forum. After having it explained to me today I understand the reasoning behind making it public. However I think we simply need to *make that clear*. Because when a silly comment or joke can have huge effects on people's lives, they need to know that *anyone *on the internet can see what they say here. So rather than just complain about it, I'd like to propose a solution. I suggest adding a note in the standard welcome email to make it clear that all messages sent to the reflector will be posted to the publicly available site: https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ and can be accessed by anyone. I also suggest a simple change the the BVARC reflector signature: ================================================ __________________ Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club BVARC mailing list BVARC@bvarc.org http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org All reflector emails are posted publicly on Mail-Archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org ================================================== Or something to that effect. This clarifies the way that the reflector works and does not leave any room for interpretation, nor does it change the reflector operation in any way. So that's my 2 cents. To the folks in charge, the board, webmaster etc. I hope you'll take my suggestions into consideration. Sorry for stirring up a huge fuss, but it sounds like others may benefit from being made aware of how it all works. Hope everyone has a great day! Thanks, *- Kori* On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Gus Bernard via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: > Howard, I am a lawyer and can tell you there is no liability issue. Don't > know where people get that idea. > > Fact is, many of us want our email addresses and phone numbers available > so that others may easily find us. Remember WAY BACK when all of our phone > numbers were in the PHONE BOOK? Likewise, one of the BIG benefits of a > listserv like ours is the ability to go back and keyword search the > archives for LOTS of great information. > > If you don't want the rest of us to find you, you can simply advise the > webmaster and he will remove that information from the "public" roster. > It's pretty hard to participate on this listserv "email incognito" although > some of us use special email addresses for our "radio" communications. > (One way to control email addresses leaks is to compartmentalize them - > have several, each of which you use for specific and limited purposes.) > > If you really want something to remain private, don't write it or type it > or email it. If you want a phone number or social security number to stay > private, don't give it to anyone. You wouldn't leave your wallet lying > around. > > Look, ham radio is a public and social hobby. Hams like meeting, and > learning about, each other, and learning from each other. That's a big > reason we join CLUBS. > > 73, > Gus, K5GMB > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 1:22 AM D. Howard Bingham via BVARC < > bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: > >> The use of* INDIVIDUAL PASSWORDS should be required to access MEMBERSHIP >> LIST**S*. >> >> If you use your ARRL address, be aware that REPLIES to messages using the >> ARRL address, will be from YOUR ISP address (NOT ARRL>) >> >> Likewise, all that's needed to access your street or mailing address, is >> to access the FCC Database & lookup your FCC assigned CALL SIGN, >> >> everything that's on the LICENSE APPLICATION IS PUBLIC RECORD. >> >> If you don't want your street address and phone numbers to show up on a >> highway billboard, BE AWARE IF YOU PUT IT IN YOUR LICENSE >> APPLICATION, it's there for everyone to see. >> >> *Perhaps a BVARC member who is a LAWYER can explain LIABILITY ISSUES.!* >> >> D. Howard Bingham >> >> ke5apj 😷 >> >> -- >> On 2/3/2021 7:41 AM, Mike Hardwick via BVARC wrote: >> >> I will be checking on this today. >> >> Mike Hardwick >> President >> BVARC >> >> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:39:10 AM CST, John Mechura via BVARC >> <bvarc@bvarc.org> <bvarc@bvarc.org> wrote: >> >> >> You may also go to the bvarc website and click on the membership roster >> and scroll around for your info. >> >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM William Elliott via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> >> wrote: >> >> I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too. I'd rather that not >> be publicly posted. >> >> -K15MKV >> >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC <bvarc@bvarc.org> >> wrote: >> >> Hello all! >> >> So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be >> stating again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email >> to the club list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the >> impression these emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email >> list is posted to the public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal >> information in my signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to >> send me spam calls) that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This >> seems like a major security issue to me and should be fixed. I have to >> wonder who is sending these emails to this website??? If the club is doing >> this they should inform us that anything we say on this list is not a >> private email but a public statement to all of the internet and everyone on >> the planet. >> >> I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the >> club was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see.... Maybe >> this is the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about >> sending anything out now and censoring my email signature. This must be >> laid out clearly to all new members. >> >> One of many offending post: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/msg09908.html >> >> The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with >> my welcome to the list: >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> >> Look.... I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I >> get, but this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've >> been a member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. >> I just feel there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is. >> >> - My call is in the offending link >> ________________________________________________ >> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >> >> BVARC mailing list >> BVARC@bvarc.org >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> >> === >> ________________________________________________ >> Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club >> >> BVARC mailing list >> BVARC@bvarc.org >> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >> > ________________________________________________ > Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club > > BVARC mailing list > BVARC@bvarc.org > http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org >
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