Re: CakePHP performance comparisons vs Rails, and others

[Felix Geisendörfer]

Hi sclough, first of all, I can't answer your question about what framework is faster, but I think that is a hard thing to determine anyway. Because how do you make a test that measures speed across different scripting languages on different server environments, that is fair to all of them? I think server configuration has a lot of influence on theh speed of the applications you are going to choose, and since there is neither an "optimal" nor a "standard" configuration you could use for each framework, you can't really compare their individual configurations against each other. Now you can probably get get fairly reasonable results for a comparison between Code Ignitor, CakePHP and Symphony, since they will all run under the same setup, but even there, each one of them might performs best under certain conditions. So my suggestion about performance concerns is (as always): CPU Cycles are cheap these days, but maintenances for complex applications isn't. So if you decide for higher performance instead of better code readability and simplicity, you might don't save anything in terms of costs, or even loose a lot of money through it. So to get you a little more advice about how you should make your decision: CakePHP is coded very nicely, and isn't wasteful with it's resources. Now there are probably things you can optimize in it, but the real performance increase comes from how you write your application. Be smart about the way you code your most frequently requested sites, use caching (cakephp has build in view caching, as well as persistent Models, and other neat functions that will help you). But really, all of this should happen after you coded your applications, because optimizing things because there it's necessary might just wastes your time. If you want to go with PHP I think there is no reason to not use CakePHP, if you want Ruby, use Rails. That's about all I can say, I don't know if anybody was able to do any fair cross-server comparisons. Best Regards, Felix -------------------------- http://www.thinkingphp.org http://www.fg-webdesign.de sclough wrote: I'm not trying to make this flamebait or anything, but I was wondering if anyone had done any real performance comparisons between Cake and Rails? I have used Cake and do like it. I've also used Code Igniter and I really liked it emphasis on being lightweight and fast, but it does not support table relations and there were a few other things that I thought were better in Cake. Plus, it has a much smaller community and seems to be controlled by one developer. Anyway, the reason for my question is that rails is very attractive to me, but I have worked with php for years and like the tried and true LAMP stack and do not feel as comfortble with the hosting stack for rails yet. I know that rails has one set of tests up on their site that show Symphony to be much slower than rails and Django to be much faster putting them in the middle. I was wondering if anybody has done any (or seen any) cake to rails comparisions? The reason I ask is that I'm working with someone on an idea for a web application that will be hosted and sold commerically as a hosted product. As such, the better performance I get, the fewer servers I need and the bigger cushion I have for peak usage. As I like cake and rails both, I was wondering if anyone knew what they were like speed wise. Rails scares me a little because there is so much magic going on under the hood that I wonder about it taking up a lot of process memory on the server and being slow to host in this sort of environment. Of course, cake is doing a lot of magic as well, and I don't have a feel for how faster or slow it's going to be yet either. I know the code igniter guys, for example, claim that ci is way faster than cake, but I know that speed is their primary goal and I do not know if they did any tuning on cake for their "tests." Thanks for listening to my ramblings, I'm not looking for "rails stinks" or "cake is terrible," or "ruby has a terrible syntax", a lot of that comes down to personal preference and I see things in both languages I like so I like both I'm just wondering if anybody has some real world experience with the performance on a very active web application. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---