On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Hanzgroove wrote:

>
> I've seen many people post the same concerns/frustrations that I have
> in this group and they're always met with the same response:
>
> "Why don't you get involved?"
>
> How can you get involved if the documentation you're looking for to
> learn the subtleties of the framework is non-existent? Do you suggest
> the blind lead the blind?

Yes.

New people know where things need to improve much better than the  
veterans. I've said this repeatedly.

New people work through issues they can't find in the docs, and are  
in a perfection situation to contribute. How many have not found a  
solution in the docs, and are still waiting for one? Contribute so  
others don't have to fight the same battles!

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> <snip>
> Chris I'll admit that the time lines ARE based on my own personal
> needs. That was the point of my message. But I'm not alone. Add my
> personal needs to the needs of thousands of other programmers who use
> the framework professionally, and it becomes justified to at least ask
> the question, "When will this be ready?". "Someday" is not a good
> enough answer. My point is that we can still be in the same position a
> year from now, still getting the same answer. "Someday". But this
> conversation will just end up in a continuous loop. Since it is open
> source, there doesn't have to be accountability from the CakePHP team
> members. The finger can always be pointed back at the end user who in
> turn is relying on the team members to explain what they have built.
> So in a loop, we continue;

Sorry its not a good enough answer for you. Maybe CakePHP and open  
source is not for you.

If you think your donations are lining the pockets of lazy  
developers, you sure better have some facts to back up an attack like  
that.

-- John

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