@Nate My original point was not really about your blog and I wouldn't have mentioned it at all if you hadn't unfairly started singling out CakeBaker's less successful postings (as compared to his large number of excellent ones).
However, surely no one can help noticing the obvious discrepancy between the quality which is acceptable to the Cake Team as an official blog, as compared to CakeBaker's blog. It's like the Emperors Got No Clothes, but no one would like to say. Clearly anyone who uses Cake must have gratitude for your hard work. However, how can a discussion about the quality of the community blog roll just be your own 'personal matter'. Surely the entire Cake project transcends that, doesn't it? My original point was straight-forward enough: why not put the best blogs on the list. If the Cake team cannot put their personal reasons aside to bring themselves to agree with such an obvious proposition, then it's a shame. @All. Of course it is rather disappointing that such an enthusiastic blogger is not encouraged officially. However, as Nate has intimated, those that enjoy Cakebaker's posts can simply continue to visit and encourage him over on his blog site. As, of course, we must encourage all those that spend their time working on and writing about Cake, and especially for the excellent work done recently by those contributing to the Book. Thanks guys. On Jun 3, 7:03 pm, Nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1) I'll post whatever I want on my own blog, whether it has anything > to do with Cake or not (the last few posts really don't). I'll > continue to do so, because I don't owe you anything. And nothing I've > ever posted has anything to do with Daniel directly (probably not > indirectly either). > > (2) Am I raining down fire and brimstone here on this mailing list? > No. > > (3) Dissent is great, my problem is the attitude in which it is > expressed. > > (4) This is a personal matter, and I'll keep my own counsel on how to > handle it and "build community" (See my previous comment regarding > other peoples' opinions on the issue [i.e. I don't care]). > > On Jun 3, 1:56 pm, villas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > @nate > > To sum up the absurdity of your own position, look no further than > > your own blog which boasts three posts in over a year. > > > Example: http://cake.insertdesignhere.com/posts/view/19 > > "No One Really Cares. Come on people, it's just blogging. You're not > > writing the next Dan Brown thriller. Quit over-analyzing and post it > > already. Just throwing that out there." > > > IMO Cakebaker is much more thoughtful than just "throwing it out". > > But, in any case, why wouldn't he be allowed to express questionable > > personal opinions and make mistakes? Let the one who has never been > > argumentative or made a mistake, cast the first stone. It certainly > > shouldn't be you! > > > Your next post is no doubt a fascinating insight into Cake, the > > "Greater Internet F**kwad Theory". To be honest, I couldn't even > > make myself click into that one. I suppose you think this warrants > > your own presence on the blog list just because it's your blog and > > what you say is always good and right? Give us a break. > > > How do you expect to build any sense of friendly community with such > > fire and brimstone raining down from the top! For goodness sake, > > chill out and allow people to speak their minds and dissent a little > > (maybe half as much as you allow yourself would be fine). > > > You make a massive contribution to Cake. However, CakeBaker is also, > > in his own individualistic way, making some contribution too. Cut the > > guy some slack. > > > On Jun 3, 5:43 pm, Nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > At the risk of getting embroiled in yet another heated debate, I'm > > > going to respond to this *once*: > > > > While his recent posts have been somewhat informative and helpful, in > > > my opinion they are more than outweighed by the months of posts which > > > were critical, argumentative, and just generally unhelpful. Daniel > > > seems to like to argue for the sake of arguing, which is > > > counterproductive. Rather than pointing out improvements in a > > > constructive way, he chooses to simply tear down, attack, and question > > > in a condescending way. This gets people riled up, and I end up > > > having to waste my time explaining my decisions and why Daniel is > > > wrong. This is time I could be spending fixing bugs or adding > > > features. > > > > Also, Daniel has a pathological aversion to taking any kind of > > > responsibility for anything he does or says. is latest post (http:// > > > cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/06/02/new-callback-methods-for-components/) is > > > a perfect example. Rather than taking responsibility for not noticing > > > features which have been in the core for years, he blames us for the > > > fact that they are "well hidden", which is utterly absurd, as they are > > > used in core components and were mentioned specifically in the > > > changelog (https://trac.cakephp.org/wiki/changelog/1.2.x.x). > > > > But the most classic example of all is > > > here:http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/31/what-do-i-wrong-that-the-other-p.... > > > The absurdity of blaming others for your own shortcomings is just > > > dumbfounding. > > > > This problem poisons all communication between him and the members of > > > the CakePHP team, it was the cause of the rift between him and the > > > Cake team in the first place, and I don't want someone like that > > > associated with the official resources of this project. As someone > > > who's invested a great deal of personal time and effort into this > > > project, I think I'm well within my rights to make that decision. His > > > behavior is outside the bounds of what I consider a productive member > > > of an Open Source community (I am most certainly not alone in my > > > opinion), and so far I have seen no evidence of his willingness to > > > change. > > > > For those of you who disagree with my decision, let me put this to you > > > very plainly: I don't care. This is a personal decision which no one > > > outside the core team has any right to a voice in. I am not > > > preventing anyone from reading Daniel's blog, nor am I trying to. > > > Nor, for that matter, am I disparaging the technical content of it, > > > which by and large is quite good. My decision is based on a person > > > and his attitude, an attitude which, again, I do not feel reflects the > > > Open Source spirit (and again, feel free to disagree with me, because > > > I don't care). > > > > If at any point in the future, Daniel chooses have a more productive > > > attitude, I would welcome his input openly, in all matters of this > > > project. But until then, I have no wish to support such a person by > > > consciously allowing him to benefit from my personal efforts and those > > > of my friends and teammates. > > > > On Jun 2, 9:02 pm, villas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How does the Cake Team choose the list of blogs mentioned on > > > > cakephp.org? > > > > > If the listing is chosen objectively, it should include those blogs > > > > with the highest quality and quantity of posts. Especially those > > > > which are helpful to general Cake users. > > > > > On what basis therefore is CakeBaker's blog excluded? > > > > http://cakebaker.42dh.com > > > > > CakeBaker's posts have consistently been high quality, informative > > > > and interesting. And, more importantly, he is the most prolific > > > > blogger that the Cake community has (as far as I know). > > > > > He may be opinionated and irritate the Core Team. However, as far as > > > > I can see, he is always open to other opinions and corrections. > > > > Indeed the debates in the blog comments are in themselves > > > > enlightening. It is generally postive and honest about Cake even when > > > > shortcomings are noted. And as we all know, top class open source > > > > projects have nothing to fear from those who make positive criticism. > > > > Indeed they are only strengthened by it. > > > > > Good bloggers should not be taken for granted and ignored, they > > > > should be embraced and encouraged. > > > > > I may be a lone voice in the desert, but I would respectfully ask for > > > > the Cake webmaster to reconsider CakeBaker's inclusion in the list, > > > > that is until of course he is overtaken by other, even higher quality > > > > bloggers :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. 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