I completely agree One of the main problems I have had is that when working for web agencies they often were not able to 'educate' their clients as they were to afraid they would not work with them if they were opposing them too strongly and would rather accept unreasonable demands or dead lines than face the possibility not to work on the project. Money, money ...
In any case this will educate me in the sense that it will prevent me to get involved in projects where I will have to face such 'wasting time' issues. thanks to you all thomas On Sep 7, 4:02 pm, mark_story <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The customer is not always right. Lets say you are a roofer and the > customer tells you to use that you cannot use an air-nailer as they > are not as proven and effective as a hand hammer. Would you simply > accept that they 'are right' and do the job? There are a time when > the customer is not knowledgable about the subject, and has no > business making decisions. I used to do irrigation installation, and > customers thought they were 'right'. They never were, and we rarely > did what they suggested, as often their suggestions would have > affected the performance of the system. Other times we did follow > their suggestions and informed them of the possible impact and > additional costs to repair it once it failed. > > Enough of the aside, thomas perhaps you should give 3 quotes, one with > all custom code, one with the app built on 1.1 and the other with it > built on 1.2. > > -Mark > > On Sep 7, 7:50 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > thanks for all the replies > > > and I tried to explain that stable means 'considered stable' and that > > RC2 was working perfectly for we had to do. I think they would have > > preferred me to craft custom code which would have been far less > > secure and stable than using cakephp but that would not have been > > tagged anything as it was custom ...that's how stupid they are imo, > > I'm not that a good programmer but good enough to get work, so I won't > > bother myself with them anymore in the future :) > > > As for 'hidden flaws' I doubt that when 1.2 is tagged stable this > > will mean that all possible bugs have been eradicated (this is > > software in its nature I feel), so not using a software product > > because it can have hidden flaws is not realistic in my opinion. > > > thomas > > > On Sep 6, 7:14 pm, Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree, the customer is always right, but you can always refuse to do > > > the job and explain exactly why. if you are that a good programmer > > > you will always have work to do, so why bother. I bet you the new > > > cake will be released very soon. Not so long ago it was only about > > > 40% complete now it is almost 100% and wont be long until it gets > > > released as stable. > > > > Cheers > > > > Marcus > > > > On Sep 6, 5:43 pm, Dérico Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello Thomas, > > > > > I might sound a little bit vexing saying this: > > > > > Your customer is right. I am sorry. > > > > > Well... 1.2 is yet a Release Candidate, although a very stable and > > > > robust release candidate, but yet release candidate. > > > > > The main reason that it is kept on this name is because there might > > > > be, yet, some hidden flaws in it. Flaws that neither you nor I know in > > > > it... That could actually jeopardise your customer's system. > > > > > He is not willing to take the risks... I would not be willing to take > > > > the risks on his shoes as well... > > > > > kind regards > > > > Dérico > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I have a client that won't let me use 1.2 because 1.1.19 is tagged as > > > > > stable whereas 1.2 is RC2... > > > > > > I tried and tried to explain to him the many reasons why it would be > > > > > better and more efficient and more secure etc... to use 1.2 but to no > > > > > avail since all he can see is the 'stable' tag ... > > > > > > So I was wondering if any one had any insight on when the 1.2 version > > > > > would be tagged as stable. > > > > > > I really don't want to go back working with 1.1 :( ... > > > > > > I know the work put into this framework and all I'm asking if there is > > > > > a chance for a stable tagged version within the forthcoming month > > > > > since this would allow me to advocate 1.2 and save myself some > > > > > trouble ... > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > ps. I know I'll probably get answers like : 'it'll be out when it'll > > > > > be out', or 'just change client' :) but if the release is close I'd > > > > > hate developing for 1.1. > > > > > > ps2. And I surely would like to help for the release but I > > > > > unfortunately miss time and skills. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CakePHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
