OK, I finally made it with this 'join' parameter, that works... but
that is not much better than using ->query   ;-) A little bit better
at least...

I still think there is a bug because I went to the IRC Cake group
yesterday evening and discussed the problem, and someone told me that
I should set up the backwards relations with HasMany to ensure Model
linking...

I did so, and it did not change a thing, Cake still thought it would
not have to JOIN the deeper models because I was not calling any of
their fields.

So, Cake is ignoring the fields used in 'conditions' for determing if
a Model is needed or not. Thats the bug.
When I was doing a normal 'find' without 'fields' I got the correct
JOINs and the whole data... but using that COUNT thing messed it up.


In the end its probably so that most people will say: If you want to
do such a complicated query, just use query, thats what its for... ;-)
I just don't like to capitulate ;-)


Thanks all.
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