Well put, Rumkuchen.

One might also mention how much you will learn through the use of the
framework, interaction with the community, and studying the
contributed plugins.

On Dec 4, 11:28 am, Rumkuchen <reinwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> invest 100 hours learning overhead at the beginning -> then you are as
> fast as without cake.
> invest another 50 hours of hard experience -> then you are 10 times
> faster.
> It is hard at the beginning, but there is an enormous return of time
> intested.
> see it as an advantage, that the documentation is not 100% clear, some
> parts could be better and so on and so on.
> But: all this hurdles will help you understanding the framework.
>
> On 4 Dez., 03:55, Raj <rajkumar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > hmm....Thanks so much for the great advice!
>
> > On Dec 3, 1:59 pm, Joshua Muheim <psybea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Funny, I first learned Ruby On Rails, too, and then dove into CakePHP
> > > (because at my current job they don't know anything about a
> > > programming language called Ruby... sadly). I first had quite some
> > > struggles because I was used to the comfort of RoR and really missed
> > > some stuff in CakePHP, but now I have acclimated quite well and I have
> > > to say that CakePHP is quite cool for the PHP language. :-)
>
> > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Stephen <step...@ninjacodermonkey.co.uk> 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >> I have stopped working without a framework in the background years
> > > >> ago, and I only can recommend it. There's SO much stuff you don't even
> > > >> know about that's handled by a good framework in the background (all
> > > >> sorts of hacking-attempts is taken care of, for example), and with a
> > > >> good plugin system your application can probably use great blocks of
> > > >> code you've developed before or somebody else has already developed.
>
> > > >> I only know CakePHP in the PHP world, so I'm not up to date what else
> > > >> is on the market there, but CakePHP really seems to be a good
> > > >> framework to start with. And what can't hurt, too, is to check out a
> > > >> framework in another language from time to time... I can only suggest
> > > >> you check out Ruby on Rails (Ruby), Django (Python) or Seaside
> > > >> (Smalltalk). You can learn A LOT from such "other worlds". You will be
> > > >> quite embarassed and feel like you have been "naive" before after
> > > >> having done it. It's clearly an enlighting... Somehow it can be
> > > >> compared to taking a virtual drug that opens your consciousness. LSD
> > > >> for programmers! ;-)
>
> > > > Likewise, and I completely agree.
>
> > > > I did dive into CakePHP some years ago and ended up being baffled and
> > > > confused because I didn't know anything about objects never mind MVC.
>
> > > > I got roped into doing a RoR project in a previous job, then I tackled
> > > > CakePHP again and I never code without a framework anymore
>
> > > > Kind Regards
> > > >  Stephen
>
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