If a our group of like minded people can't agree on terms to use when teaching
relatively straightforward dances, can we expect a nation to agree on such
trivial issues like use of force by police, national health insurance, income
distribution, and money's influence in elections ?? Michael Fuerst 802 N
Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:16 PM, Lewis Land via Callers
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I agree with that most recent posting. There seem to be many sincere and
earnest people out there who want to find the perfect solution for gender-free
calling terms, but I doubt there will ever be consensus on this topic, and
really, enough is enough. -Lewis Land
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM, susanelberger via Callers
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I do wonder whether this horse has been beaten to death. I doubt that there
will be agreement, and that's fine. The topic has been on the list several
times, and yes, I know I can ignore the postings, but enough seems to be more
than enough.
From: Ron Blechner <contra...@gmail.com>
To: Amy Wimmer <amywim...@gmail.com>
Cc: susanelberger <susanma1...@yahoo.com>; callers
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?
Care to branch off non-jet/ruby terms to a new email please?On May 29, 2015
2:45 PM, "Amy Wimmer via Callers" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I kinda like suns and moons better than lots of the other alternatives, for the
same reasons Susan lists. Also, there's Sun Dance and Moon Dance, by Robert
Cromartie: gents swing in Sun Dance and ladies swing in Moon Dance. A
precedence, perhaps?
-Amy
On May 29, 2015, at 8:00 AM, susanelberger via Callers
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I have used suns and moons for years, and prefer them because they have one
syllable each, sound completely different from each other, and are easy for the
dancers to remember. I have never had any issue arise about gender bias from
them. The conversation about which gems to use does seem a bit too overthought
to me.
Susan ElbergerLowell, Massachusetts
From: Delia Clark via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: "<callers@lists.sharedweight.net>" <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?
Okay, this conversation, plus the lunch table at the Puttin’ On the Dance
Conference in Ottawa are FINALLY getting me to give up clinging to moons and
stars (the only non-gender term I’ve ever used, which I have liked with
families and have found works well, but which I understand is too gender-y to
be acceptable as the solution we’re looking for - dang!). I am herewith
committing to trying out Jets and Rubies next weekend at a dance I’m calling
for a wedding of two women. Will report back.
On May 29, 2015, at 1:56 AM, P. Campbell via Callers
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I like jets & rubies (and have used the terms) for a number of reasons. (Don't
like gems for same reason about confusion).
In a weird way, it's close enough to "lefts & rights" for me to have no trouble
remembering who's who (with rubies starting with "r"), and, (apologies to those
who might be offended), because it fits the same syllables for me as "gents &
ladies" (which I use for historical dance) or "men & women".
For some reason I just can't get a feel for larks & ravens (I have an idea of
why but not worth sharing), and I'm not at all comfortable using bands & bares.
For me, it's whatever will be the easiest for me to remember which side is
which, and if my brain is wired to think of "jets" (black color) as more
masculine and "rubies" (red color) as more feminine (so easier for me to link
them to left & right), that's my mental visual process. (I tried apples &
oranges once with a group of kids - it was terrible because I couldn't remember
which was which side - I have to have some frame of reference).
I think one of the reasons I have trouble with larks & ravens is because of
having learned a foreign language that has a gender for nouns, and I want to
make larks the right side and ravens the left, but then the syllable structure
doesn't work for me.
My 2 cents.
Patricia
Sent from my iPhone
On May 28, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Alan Winston via Callers
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On 5/28/15 12:30 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote:
For those interested in gender free contra dance terms:1. Do you like or
dislike jets / rubies ?
Like. (I'm responding on personal preference alone; I'm aware of some
objections to this, which I don't personally share.)
2. How would gems / rubies compare?
Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear. Also, rubies
_are_ gems, so this is confusing.
-- Alan
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