> > Maia, > Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a stop > to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting > off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers. > Summary of suggestions, as best I remember: > 1) don't call the dance > 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach. > 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the > possibility of a swing. > 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow either > swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places either facing > across or with one person facing across ready to do the next move (if the > substitute was an allemande 1.5)). > > While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community > to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that some > might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number of > reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger. > Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an > alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the moment. > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Could we leave this alone unless someone has a > truly new idea for Maia? > > Thanks, > Andrea > > Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask > >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers >>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth >>>>> <luke.do...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers >>>>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems >>>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. >>>> >>>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have >>>> come across as crass and inappropriate. Asking about shadow swings >>>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women >>>> dancers isn't. >>> >>> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is >>> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close, >>> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or >>> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one >>> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant >>> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body >>> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own >>> body). >> >> Well, I share Luke's assessment. The phrasing you used to compare shadow >> swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference >> between groping and a shadow swing. Regardless of the seriousness with >> which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other >> people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given >> Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings >> are appropriate. >> -- >> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ >> <*> <*> <*> >> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
[Callers] Fwd: Fw: Shadow Swing Disclaimers?
Andrea Nettleton via Callers Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
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