Hi All: Thanks for the summary, Andrea. I don't have much use for shadow swings, and I'm uneasy calling a dance that needs a disclaimer. But one shadow swing I like is a "corner" swing in 4 facing 4s. This means all swing a neighbor half the time, and a shadow the other half, about 7-8 times. Here the caller can help avoid awkward shadow interactions (and the need for a disclaimer) by announcing "the next dance will be a 4 facing 4" as soon as possible, instead of forming contra lines and merging sets. Folks can then shop around for a line of 4 they'll be comfortable with - Bob
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 15:55:34 -0400 > To: call...@sharedweight.net > Subject: [Callers] Fwd: Fw: Shadow Swing Disclaimers? > From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net > > > > > > Maia, > > Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a > > stop to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for > > getting off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers. > > Summary of suggestions, as best I remember: > > 1) don't call the dance > > 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach. > > 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the > > possibility of a swing. > > 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow > > either swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places > > either facing across or with one person facing across ready to do the next > > move (if the substitute was an allemande 1.5)). > > > > While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community > > to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that > > some might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number > > of reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger. > > Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an > > alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the > > moment. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Could we leave this alone unless someone has a > > truly new idea for Maia? > > > > Thanks, > > Andrea > > > > Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask > > > >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers > >>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: > >>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth > >>>>> <luke.do...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers > >>>>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems > >>>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. > >>>> > >>>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have > >>>> come across as crass and inappropriate. Asking about shadow swings > >>>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women > >>>> dancers isn't. > >>> > >>> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is > >>> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close, > >>> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or > >>> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one > >>> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant > >>> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body > >>> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own > >>> body). > >> > >> Well, I share Luke's assessment. The phrasing you used to compare shadow > >> swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference > >> between groping and a shadow swing. Regardless of the seriousness with > >> which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other > >> people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given > >> Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings > >> are appropriate. > >> -- > >> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 > >> http://rule6.info/ > >> <*> <*> <*> > >> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
