LOK BUN HEANG :Majority of Thai people respected and revered their king as equal as Buddha. There is an unity among royal families, most of them are well educated from Harvard, Oxford and Sorbone.These royal families are rich and powerful big business, military, entertainment to academia.They know how to protect to promote and to maintian its institution very well, they own Thai land without this institution the country of Thailand would fall apart like the old kingdom of Angkor, Cambodia. This current dynasty(Chakry) is compared themself to the glory reign of king Narensuon (1590-1605)who destroyed Long Vek on January, 1594.The monarchy institution in Thailand is untouchable, most of Thai people agreed with that, the king is sitting above everybody and politically impartial which taking no side, but behind the scene we do not know. Rural people mostly ethnic khmer dominated area in North East is felt disfranchised from the main stream of Thai society, but this guy Taksin whom parent is emmigrated from Yunan, China became the Prime Minister and gave debt relief which wiped out debt from these poor and unedcated North Eastern area, then he became the god rescuer for these people, Taksin is very popular than other Thai leaders in this era, his popular is almost equal to the king, nobody can beat him, he is rich, well educated holding Ph.D from America, and most popular among poor and ordinary Thai people, but his enemies are royal group, educated urban Thai people, they know how Taksin employing fraud political tactid luring the poor and uneducated people into his political scams, but the main core element that protect monarchy in Thailand which lead by Privy Council PremThinsulanon whom regularly meet military leaders and receiving absolute pledge from them that the soldiers are still faithful to the king, this group is composed of all group of Thai people they are very trustworthy to the institution.So the monarchy is very popular among urban elite, educated and well off people in Thai society which is constrast to Khmer most of edcated urban did not like monarchy, and poor peasant loved monarchy, in Thailand poor, uneducated love Thai Rak Thai party of Taksin and do not like the People Alliance organized by Royal groups, you see how is different. Personally, I admired the hard work of this institution to keep their kingdom alive and independent not submit themself to anybody, they acted and organized like the old organization of Angkor administration according to their hierachy.Today Taksin is convicted by the court of Thailand and imprisoned two years.Taksin rejected the verdict and accused the court is politically motivated, his supporters are waiting to hear from him next week live coverage via mobile TV.To see what happen to Thailand next can it escape from this trouble or the end of this dynasty according to fortune teller predicting that this current dynasty will set to end within 300 years.
On Oct 23, 4:39 am, "sacravatoons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dec 12 2005, 01:31 PM > There is no freedom of speech in a country like Thailand. I got kicked out > from Thailand Forum sooo many times for posting intellectual arguments about > Thailand Government and Thai Monarchy. Talking about Monarchy (any kinds of > Monarchy) was just impossible on the Thai boards and it sucks like hell. > However, i foolishly and accidentally got inside a Forum about Thailand that > happens to be in Thailand or owns by somebody who is Thai. I just recently > registered for this forum and i hope that this is not just another Thai forum > owns by Thais or its government. Unfortunately, it seems as if there is no > forum rule on this forum because the website of bearpit.net forum rule does > not show anything and i also hope that talking about Thai politics and > Monarchy or Socialism or Marxism is allowed in this forum. The style design > of this forum looks exactly the same as Thailand Forum and i feared that free > speech is not allowed in here. Well, let me tell you why: I was saying > Thailand has characteristics of an Abosolute Monarchy Country which is a very > old, regime, primitive form of government while it represents certain > democratic principles/values such as free election of its sub-government or > its Prime Minister. In Thailand, if you make any kinds of negative comments > about Monarchy, you can end up in jail if you are Thai, or if you are a > foreigner then you would be kicked out from Thailand and your visa would be > invalid. Basically, Thailand is still a regime country that violates the > Freedom of Speech or there is no First Ammenmend. > > (Please noted that my thread is NOT ABOUT THE KING OF THAILAND AND HIS FAMILY > BUT IT IS ABOUT THAILAND HAVING ABSOLUTE MONARCHY RULES/PRINCIPLES AND ITS > EFFECT ON BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS IN THAILAND.) > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 01:40 PM > Sorry for my ignorance, I forgot to mention that the transition from absolute > monarchy to constitutional monarchy had not gone well in Thailand. Officialy, > Thailand is a Constitutional Monarchy but it still represents Absolute > Monarchy principles. Well, i don't know why. It would be better if Thailand > is as Constitutional as in UK. There was no Magna Carta that the King had to > sign in Thailand but in England, an English King signed it in the late Middle > Age to limit the power of Monarchs. In other words, in constitutional > monarchy, the Monarchs rule the country as priviledge given by his own people > and not because in the name of God or not because God said so and it is not > their rights. > > (I BET THAT THIS MUST BE ANOTHER THAI BOARD OR SOMETHING. I THOUGHT THAT IT > WAS HOSTED BY FOREIGNERS AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS RESOLD AGAIN AND AGAIN. IT > IS ALSO IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE. LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS ALSO A THAI BOARD PLEASE > BECAUSE I DID NOT COME HERE TO CAUSE TROUBLES TO ANY THAIS. HOW CAN THE THAIS > EXPECT THAT PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET KNOWS THAT THIS FORUM IS IN THAILAND? HOW > CAN YOU EXPECT THAT WE ALL KNOW THE RULES IN THAILAND? YAHOO.COM SUGGESTED ME > TO COME TO THAILAND FORUM FOR POSTING THINGS ABOUT THAILAND AS WELL AS > BEARPIT. IT LOOKS IDENTICLE TO THAILAND FORUM. ANOTHER THING, SOMEBODY ON > THAI BOARD SUGGESTED ME TO COME TO USE BEARPIT FORUM FOR POSTING ABOUT > GOVERNMENT OF THAILAND.PLEASE TELL ME THE TRUTH. THERE IS NO FORUM RULE AT > ALL? I DON'T SEE ANY FORUM RULE BUT I ASSUMED THAT USING BAD WORDS IS NOT > ALLOWED BUT POSTING ABOUT THAILAND IS ALLOWED...) I HOPE THAT I AM RIGHT... > ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > SoloNav > Dec 12 2005, 01:42 PM > Naw! You'll fit in perfectly here. Welcome aboard. > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 02:18 PM > QUOTE (SoloNav @ Dec 12 2005, 01:42 PM) > Naw! You'll fit in perfectly here. Welcome aboard. > > What a warm welcome! Thankyou! > John L > Dec 12 2005, 02:21 PM > QUOTE (The Anti-Monarchy Rebel @ Dec 12 2005, 04:18 PM) > What a warm welcome! Thankyou! > > I'll offer my hearty welcome as well. Stick around and enjoy the fracas. * > That's why it's called the Bear Pit. > > QUOTE > * fra·cas (fra'k?s, frak'?s) > n. > > A noisy, disorderly fight or quarrel; a brawl. See synonyms at brawl. > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 02:32 PM > QUOTE (John L @ Dec 12 2005, 02:21 PM) > I'll offer my hearty welcome as well. Stick around and enjoy the fracas. * > That's why it's called the Bear Pit. > > Excuse me, Bearpit Forum is a public opinion forum that contains topics about > Politics and not fracas. You better re-check defenition of Bearpit im afraid. > I do enjoy alot of fracas in a Free Speech World but im afraid that this is > not what this forum is all about. You sounded pissed off or something and > observed my thread in a bad taste as well as described it as fracas. You know > what? If it sounded very FRACAS THEN GET OUT FROM THIS TOPIC. HAHA! > > OOOOOH THANKS FOR WELCOMING ME HERE BUT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE BUDDY. > SoloNav > Dec 12 2005, 02:38 PM > QUOTE (The Anti-Monarchy Rebel @ Dec 12 2005, 02:32 PM) > Excuse me, Bearpit Forum is a public opinion forum that contains topics about > Politics and not fracas. You better re-check defenition of Bearpit im afraid. > I do enjoy alot of fracas in a Free Speech World but im afraid that this is > not what this forum is all about. You sounded pissed off or something and > observed my thread in a bad taste as well as described it as fracas. You know > what? If it sounded very FRACAS THEN GET OUT FROM THIS TOPIC. HAHA! > > OOOOOH THANKS FOR WELCOMING ME HERE BUT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE BUDDY. > > ?? > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 02:41 PM > QUOTE > * fra·cas (fra'k?s, frak'?s) > n. > > A noisy, disorderly fight or quarrel; a brawl. See synonyms at brawl. > SoloNav > Dec 12 2005, 02:45 PM > QUOTE (The Anti-Monarchy Rebel @ Dec 12 2005, 02:41 PM) > QUOTE > * fra·cas (fra'k?s, frak'?s) > n. > > A noisy, disorderly fight or quarrel; a brawl. See synonyms at brawl. > > Well, there are brawls here. Just check out the threads. > But, not as bad as some I've been on at other forums. > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 02:52 PM > QUOTE (SoloNav @ Dec 12 2005, 02:45 PM) > Well, there are brawls here. Just check out the threads. > But, not as bad as some I've been on at other forums. > > My comments on other forums are terrific and i think that i should also post > them here. There are no bad words but i got kicked out simply because i was > talking about Monarchy. Many Thais were offended and did not allowed any > kinds of negative posts about their government like i mentioned above and it > sucks like hell. Thats because you felt that it is offensive but it was not > offensive at all. hmmmmmm you guys sounded Thais. Sorry we are in a public > opinion forum and not like that sucky Thailand Forum which was very weird so > you better make some intellectual arguments about this thread otherwise it is > useless for you to be here and post nonsense as well as waisting my time. > Ben-T > Dec 12 2005, 02:52 PM > Welcome to the Bear Pit. It includes both fracas and debate, if your like us, > you'll learn to enjoy both > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 03:00 PM > QUOTE (Ben-T @ Dec 12 2005, 02:52 PM) > Welcome to the Bear Pit. It includes both fracas and debate, if your like us, > you'll learn to enjoy both > > I am not here to talk about your fracas but about debate and politics of > Thailand and this was also why i visited the other sucky forum that did not > talk about Thai Government. Whether it is a fracas to you or not but it is > still a debate on whether my arguments are true or not. Get it? Instead of > waisting time, why not making any arguments about this thread? > SoloNav > Dec 12 2005, 03:03 PM > QUOTE (The Anti-Monarchy Rebel @ Dec 12 2005, 02:52 PM) > My comments on other forums are terrific and i think that i should also post > them here. There are no bad words but i got kicked out simply because i was > anti-monarchy guy. Many Thais were offended and did not allowed any kinds of > negative posts about their government like i mentioned above and it sucks > like hell. Thats because you felt that it is offensive but it was not > offensive at all. hmmmmmm you guys sounded Thais. Sorry we are in a public > opinion forum and not like that sucky Thailand Forum which was very weird so > you better make some intellectual arguments about this thread otherwise it is > useless for you to be here and post nonsense as well as waisting my time. > > Guy, I wasn't offended at all. Where do you get that? You do sound offended, > though, which I'm totally confused about. > > I think you are putting thoughts/words into my head and mouth that are > strictly of your making, and reacting as if they are true. They're not. This > is not a good start to any intellectual discussion. Take that chip off your > shoulder. We aren't Thais. > > Whatever. > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 03:13 PM > QUOTE (SoloNav @ Dec 12 2005, 03:03 PM) > Guy, I wasn't offended at all. Where do you get that? You do sound offended, > though, which I'm totally confused about. > > I think you are putting thoughts/words into my head and mouth that are > strictly of your making, and reacting as if they are true. They're not. > This is not a good start to any intellectual discussion. Take that chip off > your shoulder. We aren't Thais. > > Whatever. > > Why should i be offended by you or by John L since they saw it as fracas? I > personally assumed that it is people's ignorance to assume that it is fracas > without even making any kinds of arguments. you see. For me they are not > fracas. Come on! prove it! > The Anti-Monarchy Rebel > Dec 12 2005, 03:15 PM > Thats why we are here in Bearpit Forum! Welcome to my thread!! hahaha > SoloNav > Dec 12 2005, 03:20 PM > QUOTE (The Anti-Monarchy Rebel @ Dec 12 2005, 03:15 PM) > Thats why we are here in Bearpit Forum! Welcome to my thread!! hahaha > > Actually, I think you are someone else who has come back under a different > name. D.B. comes to mind. 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