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----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Neak Kampuchea <[email protected]> To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Khmer culture KHMER origin of birth. Calling Khmer citizen in English , as Khmer is the official name of the country, But this is what we need now: 1-We the people of Cambodia are citizens Khmer 2-The state of Cambodia is for KHMER NOT 4 YOUN. On Jul 9, 8:43 am, ឌើលុច្ស អៀម <[email protected]> wrote: > This statement reflects the carving on the wall of Angkor Wat. > > "Those who come to this land [srok Khmer], and accept the ancestors > contributions and show gratitude to allegiance to this nation are part of > the Khmer identity." > > > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Chamnap Keo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Neak Kampuchea works really hard to push for this new word. If as you say, > > Cambodia has thousands of years of history, don't you think it's culture and > > people know who they are? > > > What Neak Kampuchea does not tell us is that his campaign to put this new > > word to forefront is not a result of Cambodians mis-classifying themselves > > and confusion about their Khmer identity, but only that Khmer and the > > demographic of today's Cambodia is changing to accompanied for the masses > > of millions of legal and illegal Youns who come to live in Cambodia. We know > > that, Youn have live en mass with in Cambodia and spread like wildfire, > > however, we are not confused about this "self-proclaim" Khmer identity. It > > has been this way for over a thousand years, and the fact that it needs to > > be change now does not reflect a mistake, but as I say, rather an > > unfortunate change and trend in the reality of Vietnamese and Sino dominated > > Khmer land, or as we always say in Khmer, "Srok Khmer". > > > What is wrong with using Khmer as an all encompassing group identity? What > > is wrong with using this word as we have always use for over > > a millennium now? This word Khmer on contrary, does not exclude people out > > of Cambodia, it includes and builds solidarity in "Srok Khmer", even the > > Sino Khmers had come to refer to themselves as "we Khmers". This is a term, > > under an umbrella, of a over 2 thousand years of history of unity, and it > > strengthens the continuation of the cultures of our forefathers who have > > bestowed it onto us, in this land. Those who come to this land, and accept > > the ancestors contributions and show gratitude to allegiance to this nation > > are part of the Khmer identity. > > > Those who wish to exclude themselves, and self-identify otherwise for other > > political purpose, no matter under what guise, what propanda, what message, > > or persuasion, is neither Cambodian nor Khmer - but betrayals who have > > infiltrated the nation and wishes to destroy it from the inside out. > > > Thailand is neither a country of the Tais nor is the TAI a homogenous > > ethnic identity, yet "Thai" comes to be the core identifying feature of that > > country and unity for many people who are not even Tai. And Thai identity is > > brief compared to the Khmer identity, so it should be that the Khmer > > identity should wrap an even stronger solidarity and unity among all people > > of Cambodia - because this is the word that connects this land to its > > ancient heritage and the word that will continuate to prerseve > > and perpetuation the survival of that heritage. Those who enter wishing to > > destroy this heritage can be can neither Cambodia, Chun Kampuchea or Khmer > > and should forever be outcast as foreigners bent on the destruction and > > domination of Khmer nation. Period. > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Neak Kampuchea > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Khmer culture heritage Foundation itself has been creating Khmer > >> extremism, corruption with impunity, thousand years before Mr. Hen > >> Sen’s birth date. > > >> Please be understood that Cambodian is not a race’s name as certain > >> individual of Khmer self-proclaimed have believed. One should thinks > >> that this English word Cambodian meaning is not the same as Khmer > >> language meaning, which has not been adjusted for decades along social > >> evolution or in others words along with multi-ethnic integration. > >> Cambodian should be called in Khmer word “Chun-Kampuchea” but not > >> Khmer. > > >> Every English word we speak has been updated. So please be careful to > >> catch-up this English word “Cambodian”, which is designated for > >> calling all inhabitants within Cambodia’s territories without > >> discriminating of origins of birth, belief, and political tendency. > >> Please keep in mind that Cambodian does not exceed to be illegally > >> added Khmer ethnic of Vietnam or Khmer ethnic of Thailand. Cambodian > >> word is solely nominated for people within Cambodia’s legal boundary. > > >> All those Khmer language confusions has been due to the lack of Khmer > >> language institute existence, which would be updating Khmer language > >> along Cambodian social evolution, during the past hundred years to > >> present days. > > >> Look these Khmer words that are saying Preah Vehear and Angkor temples > >> are Khmer culture. But in English the whole meaning is this: Preah > >> Vihear and Angkor temple are Khmer Heritage culture, but not our > >> actual Khmer culture, which has been changed so far into Cambodian > >> culture. > > >> Some young Cambodian women today are wearing sun glasses with short > >> dresses and skirts, men are with suites and ties with western style > >> shoes, living in concrete and brick building or houses. Everyone eat > >> food on the table with fork and spoon. We dance we listen moderns > >> music and songs. > > >> All of what we are doing today is called Cambodian culture. But we are > >> not anymore in Khmer ancient culture, for which there is now a > >> repeated glorifying games, which are heard for political interest of > >> special individual gain in this Khmer lacking logical order language > >> (perplexity language). > > >> The actual Cambodian constitution, its self, is conflicting with > >> Universal democracy principal, and has truly been creating Khmer > >> extremist movement, culture of corruption and impunity due to Khmer > >> extreme religious nationalism with misunderstanding of Cambodia’s > >> continual social evolution, which would, no doubt, be one day backlash > >> for people equal rights, freedom of expression with identical life of > >> human dignity, freedom of assembly, freedom of belief, freedom of > >> movement, freedom of receiving information. > > >> Look, Cambodia (Kampuchea) is the official name of the country; its > >> inhabitants should be called Cambodian, (Chun-Kampuchea). It is none > >> relevance or in other words none sense for calling Khmer, that had > >> been nominated in ancient time for calling Khmer people in Khmer > >> Empire, which had already been fragmented into Cambodia, Thailand, > >> South Vietnam. This is the reason why there are Thai-Khmer, Cambodian- > >> Khmer, Vietnam-Khmer. For now we have Cambodia, its people should be > >> Cambodian. And Cambodian in Khmer word is “Chun-Kampuchea” or simply > >> “Kampuchean” (Kampujean). > > >> Pease examine Sam Rainsy’s party and Rong Chhun’s teacher union > >> leader; they do politics in the name of Khmer in the flaw > >> constitution, in which has some English words mistranslated as We the > >> people of Cambodia are Khmer citizen in place of Cambodian citizen, > >> These two men, their teams including Ms.Musochea have never called > >> Cambodian people in Khmer word Chun-Kampuchea as Mr. Hun Sen did. > > >> This is the reason why there is extremist Khmer movement that has been > >> pushing thousand and thousand Khmer Krom of Vietnam and Khmer Surin of > >> Thailand for coming to Phnom Penh for claiming their Khmer > >> citizenship, because they said they are also Khmer like the others in > >> the country. No doubt, there is a strong support from SRP and Union > >> leader Rong Chhun for their political gain, but their logical sense is > >> lacking. > > >> This potential problem will last, and has extended to make Cambodian > >> instability threat, until some day Cambodian Government will > >> understand and decide a decisive reform those malicious constitutional > >> clauses, in which there is an universal democracy principal flaw. > >> . > >> Mr. Hen Sen knows all of that, but he thinks this is not the time yet, > >> until next young Cambodian generations will become more educated in > >> the Cambodian majority as needed. For now, his government has enough > >> power to unconstitutionally order for doing anything and calling all > >> Cambodian in Khmer word”Chun-Kampuchea” for teaching unaware people > >> ahead of the time as needed, and also expressing a willingness for > >> avoiding discrimination of origin of birth for all inhabitants in > >> Cambodia in the face of UN human right, NGO groups, domestic and > >> oversea Cambodian as well. This is what, CPP is doing about. > > >> We the people of Cambodia need Constitutional reform for replacing > >> fault version > >> “Khmer citizen” by a true description” Cambodian citizen” for pursuing > >> to the countries name Cambodia in relevance to the name of its people > >> Cambodian. > > >> 1-We the people of Cambodia are “Cambodian citizens”. > >> 2-The government of Cambodia is from Cambodian for Cambodian. > >> 3-The state is separated from religion that is exclusively belonging > >> to the people > >> 4-Cambodian government should be Secular. (Neutral is among different > >> religions). > > >> If religion continues to belong to the state, Cambodia could never be > >> able to alleviate poverty and corruption, which has been hiding behind > >> the power of Cambodian government itself. > > >> Believe or not, except to anyone, but please afford to take a look as > >> the following: > > >> If one of Ministers, one provincial Governor, one state or a > >> provincial Prosecutor, or just a district councilor President or > >> national assembly President, or senator President, will plan to do for > >> example: Kathen-natien, Haih-Phkar, Kan-ben, or Acpi-sech preah, the > >> whole staff under the one who does one of those religious ceremonies, > >> must be serenely forced to put some money for taking part with theirs > >> big bosses, not for belief season, but instead for showing loyalty as > >> intentionally keeping their job secured. > > >> As Cambodia has no “none-profit organization laws” to ruler over every > >> association > >> in the country, who is going to dare asking for transparency and > >> accountability? 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