David,
I understand completely. It is extremely frustrating to be ripped off by a crook, especially an invisible one on the internet. We can defeat them, but it is going to take a lot of hard work by a lot of people. I just don't want them to deny us the advantages of the internet. I hope you do look at the software - you might find it has features that will be of use to you. Rgds Jan _____ From: chargerdl1966 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [COINS CLUB] Re: Update on BETA Jan, I guess I am just a skeptic. I did have my credit card account compromised by someone who accessed my PayPal account about a year ago. Ever since, I have a fear of any additional exposure to the Internet and its inherent security weaknesses. Please do not be offended by my earlier comments. I may relent and take a look at your software. David --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jan Schwenk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert, David; > > > > Robert is correct. Putting your coins on this internet is as safe as your > bank putting your account, or the IRS, or Social Security, etc. storing your > data. The web will be secured by Verisign plus our own security devices and > software. While nothing in the world is unbreakable, we can make it > probably more trouble that it is worth to break. > > > > Thanks Robert, you are correct in your comments. > > > > Robert, by the way, is a real guru in variety coins - he is one of the > pioneers in the industry! > > > > Rgds > > Jan > > > > _____ > > From: robert wilharm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [COINS CLUB] Re: Update on BETA > > > > David > I understand what you are saying but I feel that you do not have to worry > about someone getting in to your computer. As I understand it the want list > is placed into an internet pool with your code on it. Anybody can reach the > pool but cannot go beyond that because they do not know where to go. The > only information a third party has is a list of coins wanted and a code > number that will tell you that someone has the coin on your want list. You > then have to except that and from there you and the other party will > exchange email to set up a deal. I believe the only safer machine is > disconnected from the internet. I know Jan however I do not work for him or > for NumisExpert and I have nothing to gain from this post except to see > happy collectors. > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chargerdl1966" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:15 PM > Subject: [COINS CLUB] Re: Update on BETA > > > > > > Jan, > > > > I am an infrequent poster to this forum, but I am concerned with > > creating a venue whereby the world of coin collectors is connected > > together in any way. I feel that the "want lists" should be > > manually posted and there should be no electronic connection to > > other collectors' listings. There is a very real possibility of > > some underhanded dealings in the Internet world of shady > > individuals, identity theft artists and cyber-thieves. I, for one, > > will take no interest in any type of software that is installed on > > my PC to allow interconnectivity with anyone else. I will not even > > allow my sister, a computer programmer and systems expert, to > > connect to my own machine over the Internet. I strongly urge other > > collectors and coin lovers on this forum to consider the same > > stance. I am not saying that your software is not a "good thing", I > > am simply concerned about compromising my own system's security. > > > > David Lind > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jan Schwenk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Further to my posting about our new Coin software system, I wanted > > > to point out some of the design, features, and goals of the > > > software. NumisEXPERT PRO3 is a completely new software system > > > intended to build an integrated on-line community of everyone in > > the > > > coin collecting environment. Right now there are thousands of > > stand- > > > alone webs, and some networks that appeal to specific segments of > > > the field, but there is none that encompasses everyone. Another > > way > > > of stating that is that we are "not all on the same page". We > > are, > > > so to speak, living in the Stone Age, a world of little villages, > > > some connected by footpaths, some by canals, but most separated > > from > > > the others. Some may think this is to their advantage but we feel > > > it is not good for the coin collecting community. We are not > > aware > > > of anyone trying to change this state of affairs, we believe that > > > the coin collecting community will benefit mightily if it comes > > into > > > the modern age, and we are developing this software to effect that > > > change. The software that we are inviting you to try is the first > > > shot in this endeavor. > > > > > > The goal is to build an interactive environment that will help > > > everyone in coin collecting. The collector is the basis, the > > > foundation of coin collecting, so we will provide every tool and > > > information so that he is fully knowledgeable. We will be > > providing > > > a price list addressing every U.S. coin since 1616, including > > > varieties, errors and attributes, priced in every numerical > > grade. > > > This price list will be computed in real time daily from dealers' > > > offers, flyers, catalogs, sales, auctions, webs and every source > > we > > > can find. The prices will be accurate and timely. As the system > > > builds and gains more and more users, we will start to be able to > > > provide empirically accurate data on populations, and market trend > > > and demand. The system recognizes several different brands of > > > albums, and many different ways of collecting coins, and can > > analyze > > > a collection and provide solid recommendations on how to improve > > the > > > collection, and for collectors to find and acquire coins to > > improve > > > their collections so they consistently increase in value (whether > > or > > > not the collectors want to sell their coins, ultimately an heir > > > might want to or might need to). > > > > > > Want Lists that are automatically generated will be able to show > > the > > > collector every matching coin that is available by the various > > > dealers and collectors throughout the system so he can make the > > best > > > buying decision. The system will support registry sets from > > > recognized grading companies as well as less formal registry sets > > > amongst the collectors. It will provide an accurate inventory > > with > > > enough accurate information to satisfy any requirement. While it > > > currently supports only U.S. coins since 1616, we will be adding > > > master databases for other countries, and other eras, again with > > > comprehensive data and pricing. We expect to be adding features > > for > > > a long time to come. > > > > > > For the dealer, the system will automate all the time and labor > > > consuming functions to make it cheaper, better and faster for > > > dealers to sell coins and to give his customers the kind of > > service > > > they want. The system will track and analyze all the > > dealers "buys" > > > and "sells" to identify where he is getting the best return so he > > > can maximize his business. The software will enable him to > > provide > > > custom service to all of his customers, to help they maximize > > their > > > collection. Dealer want lists will insure that he is making > > > effective use of the available coins in the market to better serve > > > his customers. The system automates appraisals for customers, > > > liquidation of estates; registry set building and will be able to > > > create auction catalogs, mailers, flyers, and direct personal > > sales > > > offers. There are many selling tools built in and more coming. > > If > > > a dealer so desired, he could list his entire inventory on CWL > > > (www.coinweblisting.com), and Ebay, and Yahoo, and several other > > > venues, still offer some of his inventory in his shop or office, > > and > > > offer other parts of it at shows and presentations. If a coin > > sells > > > in any venue, the others are immediately pulled down. This allows > > > maximizing exposure and maximizing sales. Collectors that come to > > > shows with their want lists on their WiFi pda will be led directly > > > to the tables that have what they want. They will be able to buy > > > (and pay for), with the click of a button, as they walk in the > > door. > > > > > > Our price list will be initially weekly, and later in real time. > > If > > > a coin is going up in value, you inventory will automatically be > > re- > > > priced to the new price in real time. You will know the demand > > for > > > each coin, and will your inventory will automatically respond to > > all > > > want lists automatically and in real time (and those responses > > will > > > be updated as prices change). > > > > > > There are many more features that will be of help to you in > > running > > > your business. Rather than write a book here, please go to the > > > Portal http://www.numisexpert.com/NEDealerWebHome/default.aspx > > and > > > click on the link New User? Sign Up Now to register for the new > > > software. Even if you have been using prior versions of our > > > software, this is completely new, much more advanced software and > > > you need to sign in as a new user for the BETA. If you are > > running > > > a prior version, we will provide you a migration path for your > > data > > > at the end of the BETA. > > > > > > Sorry, I should have pointed this out in the original message. > > You > > > will remain registered in the original software, AND you will be > > > registered in the new software. > > > > > > If you have any questions, comments, suggestions, ideas on how to > > > improve the software, or complaints, please send them to me at > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. 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