I was just reading the 4.0 beta for the first time, and I felt like they were espousing those principals, but then followinghtem up with a lot of extra processes and artifacts to get you there. I also don't like the defined Architect and PM roles.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Boucher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [XP] Re: MSF Agile > > > > I'm rereading MSF v.3 Overview* since that seems like an > appropriate place to start a discussion on Microsoft > Solutions Framework. > > Perhaps we could begin with the principles. > > At the core of MSF are eight foundational principles: > Foster open communications > Work toward a shared vision > Empower team members > Establish clear accountability and shared responsibility > Focus on delivering business value Stay agile, expect change > Invest in quality Learn from all experiences > > OK. I'll buy into all of those. > > And here's the XP list for comparison: > Fundamental Principles: > Rapid Feedback > Assume Simplicity > Incremental Change > Embracing Change > Quality Work > > Further Principles: > Teach Learning > Small Initial Investment > Play to Win > Concrete Experiments > Open, honest Communication > Work with people's instincts - not against them Accepted > Responsibility Local Adaptation Travel Light Honest Measurement > > For whatever reason, I'm more comfortable with the MSF list. > It seems shorter, simpler, and less restrictive. I like the > XP list but when I see things like "Honest measurement" I > wonder if the list is a little more baggage filled and > complex than it needs to be. > > However, it strikes me how similar the two lists are, like > two groups independantly reaching the same conclusion. > > I wonder if XP 2.0 has a different set of principles... > > -------- > > * http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx? > FamilyID=50dbfffe-3a65-434a- > a1dd-29652ab4600f&DisplayLang=en > ...or try http://tinyurl.com/6mkr7 > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
