Railroads are not always the fastest way. New York State is about 
the size of Great Britain and for a boxcar to cross the state can 
take 5 days. A canal boat can cross the state in the same amount of 
time. The reason it takes 5 Days is that the railroad car has to be 
switched and sorted to a yard....then wait for a train off the 
main....then after ariving in Albany NY or New York...Be switched 
and sorted again....then wait for a local to drop it off at the 
siding. (sometimes they even lose the railroad car in our "Hump 
Yards" that are the size of the city of Liverpool). A canal boat on 
the erie canal is equilivent to 15 railroad cars and go door to door 
provided both industrys are on the Erie Canal. The Problem is labor 
costs again but here in the USA the railroads also have to pay for 
there own track and is taxed on there right of way.

In Europe the resaon that most freight does not move by rail is the 
short distances that freight has to go and the fact that slow moving 
freight trains get in the way of high speed rail.
In the USA our railroad and waterway system (Dont forget that we 
have the largest canal system in the world with the Ohio-Missipie 
river sysytem-)is a profit motovated system. Trains are slow but our 
railroad system and our barge works to haul 10,000 tons of coal or 
grain long distances of 1,500 miles or more...Freight rates are 
about 1,000 dollers a car or more so a 100 car freight train can 
bring in 125,000.00 worth of revenue.

One barge hold about 15 railroad cars worth of freight...thats about
10,000 dollers of revenue. At the avarage hourly rate that labors 
get paid and the high cost of petro can a barge or string of them 
travel across great britain and break even?








--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Kim the coal regularly drifts up & down the Lea & Stort selling 
> retail to the boats
> 
> >On Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:42 AM [GMT+1=CET],
> >trainfinder22 
> ><<mailto:trainfinder22%40yahoo.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > This year we had some bulk boats and a couple of turbines move 
on the
> > > New York Canals...The canal is also the prefeered route for 
factory
> > > fresh yaughts moving to the great lakes....
> > > I suppose that the canal system in Britain could be a great 
alternive
> > > to moving fertliser and bulk commditys to and from the farms 
as the
> > > barge can park alongside the famer fields and unload fertilser
> > > straight to the fields as oposed to the railway network were 
the
> > > farmer has to pick up his fertliser at a shunting siding...
> >
> >There are growing prospects for short-haul traffic. In London, 
the part of
> >the system I know best, a traffic in ballast from a gravel pit in 
Denham to
> >a cement works in West Drayton has been extablished for about 
three years.
> >A large recycling works is being built at Old Oak Common in West 
London,
> >with its own new wharf so that traffic can come by water. And the 
planning
> >prmission for the site is such that a significant amount of their 
traffic
> >will have to be by water. This is on a 30-mile lock-free stretch. 
In East
> >London there has been a successful feasibility trial for moving 
the
> >tranbsfer of domestic rubbish from road to water. At present that 
one is
> >waiting for somebody come come up with the cash to finance the 
change of
> >equipment.
> >
> >It's significant that all of these are on broad waterways, which 
can take
> >barges of an economically-viable size. I very much doubt whether 
similar
> >traffic on the narrow canals would be able to pay its way.
> >
> >There was a very interesting feasibility study in connection with 
the West
> >London recycling project. The study was funded by Transport for 
London,
> >which is a department of the Mayor's office. It looked at the 
economic
> >plusses and minuses. The biggest negative factor of eater 
transport is that
> >it is slow, thus incurring a higher wages cost than road or rail 
transport.
> >The study came to the conclusion that transport by water could 
pay its way
> >on a trip that had no more than four locks on the route. More 
than this and
> >a lorry could make two trips in the time a barge took to make 
one, thus
> >cutting the cost of road transport significantly.
> >
> >One development that is likely to create new opportunities for 
freight by
> >water is a change in the country's regime for management of 
rubbish. At the
> >moment much of this is going into land-fill, but this is going to 
be cut
> >down (if not cut out) in favour of a mix of recycling and 
incineration.
> >Some authorities (including the Mayor of London) are keen to have 
the new
> >recycling and incenraion plants built waterside to encourage 
getting rubbish
> >traffic off the roads on to the water.
> >
> >Also it is hoped that much of the contruction taffic, and later 
the
> >supplies, for the 2012 Olympics in East London will travek by 
water. BW has
> >worked with outside agencies to build a lig new lock to allow 
barge access
> >to parts of the Bow Back Rivers which aren't accessible to barges 
at the
> >moment. But it all depends on contractors putting in successful 
tenders to
> >cary the goods by water. I am aware that there are some 
contractors
> >interestied in doing so.
> >
> >Mike Stevens
> >narrowboat Felis Catus III
> >web-site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
> >
> >Defend the waterways.
> >Visit the web site www.saveourwaterways.org.uk
> >
> >
> 
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