--- In [email protected], I thought that criminals should 
be given a chance to reform and Will Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> then 
wrote:
>

> 
> Do you have any evidence that reform actually works? I'm all for
> giving someone another chance (dependent on the severity of the 
> crime), but from what I've read it seems that reform has a very
> poor success rate.
> 
> Is there a point when you agree that the re-offender has had
> enough chances and are there any crimes that you feel are so
> severe that your rule shouldn't apply?
> 
> 
> 
> Will
> --


I am afraid I don't have any evidence that reform works. Thus, what 
follows is merely guesswork and opinion.

I would think that crime committed due to boredom or because it is 
seen to be 'cool' (e.g. vandalism, graffiti) could be reduced by 
teaching the criminals that what they are doing will get them nowhere 
good and instead will result in punishment. Here, I think that the 
sort of punishments such as cleaning graffiti, repairing broken 
fences (or similar) would work quite well. Of course, the police 
would have to have effective methods of capturing the criminals in 
order to subject them to this punishment.

I would hope that these and similar 'community' punishments would 
lead to reforming the criminals involved. I am sure there would be 
some cases in which the offenders would be so stuck into their 'way 
of life' that they couldn't change and for them then maybe a harsher 
custodial sentence should be imposed. However, I don't believe that 
at any stage for these sorts of crimes should death be a punishment. 
It is in complete disproportion to the damage caused.

Then there is crime which is due to 'need' in some way (e.g. a drug 
habit leading to theft, theft because of extreme hunger etc.) These 
people are really in need of help. Without taking them out of their 
problem (drugs, homelessness etc.) then I would agree that there 
could be no chance of reform. However, if a programme is established 
which helps these people then their reasons for committing crime have 
gone and I would hope that they were also 'reformed'.

Once again, assuming the level of crime remains around theft or 
burglary etc. then I don't think that death should ever be a 
punishment here.

After this point, I have difficulty. First, I would like to switch 
approaches and state that in all cases where the only damage is done 
to property, there should never be a reason to impose a death 
penalty. This is due to the proportionality argument: death is a very 
final punishment and bears no resmblance in weighting to the crime 
committed. Further, in most cases (excepting those where the property 
damaged has some sentimental value) the damage done in a property 
offence can be rectified through monetary means. Thus, the community 
punishments mentioned above can be very useful here.

Now I come to offences against the person (in general violent or 
sexual offences). These may be committed for various reasons: because 
they are in some way 'fun' e.g. the horrible culture of 'happy-
slapping' that seems to have arisen; because of an emotional overload 
(someone gets so angry that they lash out) or perhaps due to a 
revengeful or other planned motive.

First, the case of committing violence because it is 'fun'. This, I 
think is just an example of the next level of anti-social behaviour 
from property damage and I think must be dealt with harshly hopefully 
to result in reform through a sort of 'shock-therapy'. E.g. don't be 
soft if it is a first offence but there was clearly a malicious 
motive, instead be very harsh in the hope that the person will not re-
offend.

If the person becomes a persistent re-offender at a level of violence 
below that which leads to death then I believe that progressively 
harsher sentences should be imposed possibly culminating in a life 
prison sentence. Some may argue that it would be easier to just kill 
the person but if we started killing as punishment for persistent re-
offending, I think we would be doing the wrong thing. (I can't really 
explain my reasons but it just seems that it would be a way of giving 
up on the person involved and 'ridding our hands' of them when I'd 
like to think there is always the possibility of reformation. Even 
where there isn't, I believe a person's life must still have some 
value worth preserving.)

Second, the case of emotional overload. I am not really sure what my 
approach would be here. As I imagine it, the people involved just go 
one step too far and, contrary to the above group, would show remorse 
for what had occurred. I think they would say: 'I didn't mean for it 
to happen'.

Here, I think that re-offending is less likely as it should only 
occur when such person loses control again. With harsh punishments 
(and perhaps anger-therapy or other treatment) the possiblity of re-
offending, I believe could be further reduced.

If a person could not gain control and just kept on re-offending then 
I think the likelihood is that they cannot be helped and must be 
separated from society. I would achieve that through custody. I think 
it would be highly injust to kill a person who had no real control 
over their actions at the time that they acted and also showed 
remorse after the event.

I am afraid I may have expanded this group to include people who have 
some sort of mental disorder and are actually incapable of 
controlling themselves. Whilst I believe that such people should not 
be killed as punishment (and I believe they would mainly be covered 
by defences which already exist in our law) I also believe the same 
(that death shouldn't be a punishment) with regard to the people who 
are meant to be within this group. That is those who have not made a 
detailed plan of their actions and just act 'in the moment' and 
immediately regret it.

Lastly, cases in which a person commits planned violence (often 
revengeful). I do not believe that this person would be capable of 
reform. They would have used violence as a means to an end and would 
be prepared to commit violence again in the future to achieve 
something even if they had been punished for their actions before.

Perhaps the only way of dealing with such a person is to put them out 
of the way permanently. I think this should be done through a 
custodial sentence for life. Where they have never gone as far as 
killing then I think a death sentence should be out of the question 
on proportionality grounds. 

Even where such a person has committed murder, I don't think I could 
advocate a death penalty due to the inherent value of a human life 
(even where it may be thought that such a person doesn't deserve 
their life) but that is probably my only reason and I realise it may 
be quite a poor one.

I have just realised that I haven't really covered criminals who 
commit sexual offences. Briefly, I would say that most are capable of 
being reformed and the death penalty would be inappropriate in most 
cases. The exception is rape which I find very difficult to deal 
with. I believe that some rapists (perhaps most) can be reformed so 
death should not be the penalty for a first offence. However, where 
there are repeat offences, I believe it would be much more important 
to understand the motive of the criminal. Where he didn't care at all 
about his victims (and could be compared to the offender who commits 
planned violence) then, as above, I think a life prison sentence 
would be the correct punishment.

In all cases, I would allow life sentences to be reduced but only 
with very stringent monitoring requirements. This would perhaps occur 
because a person has, in fact, reformed (or at least has seemed to) 
or, of course, there may be such a necessity due to a lack of prison 
space.

I hope the above has made some sense. I think this is a very 
difficult issue and I promise that any further replies by myself will 
be shorter than this one.

Regards,

Ben

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