Snipped loads of good replies:

Bruce, Bob, David and Steve........just how much do you guys enjoy beating your 
heads against a brick wall?
You will either 'enjoy' continued 'apparently' logical argument or you will 
encounter complete silence (from which you can sometimes deduce a limited 
victory). Take it from me, even when you can prove a point, the argument will 
be twisted to prove the opposite. ;-)))
Roger
nb Goodwilltoallmen ;-)))

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