On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Fremantle <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sure. This isn't about technical merit unfortunately. The reason is that > the ops team have a standard deployment approach. Think of it like an OS or > VM or JVM. The ops team probaly have one specific OS they support, and if > you are on Windows and they want to run Linux they are going to either just > say no, or make a huge issue of it. Similarly if they are on IBM JDK 1.6 and > you don't support that they are going to make it an issue. > > Lots of ops teams do not just support a JVM. They support an app server. So > *every* piece of Java code that runs in the server machine farm MUST be > running on Weblogic 9, whether or not its really using the appserver > features. > > Unfortunately this is the way many machine rooms are run and trying to > fight it is counterproductive. I have a list of customers where we have run > into this but I can't send it on this list. > Yes.. sadly still we have to go by the rules defined by 'big players' when introducing our solid platform to large enterprise grade deployments. Thus far, these deployments have gone very well. Hence I believe despite the troubles/limitations, we should continue supporting WAR capabilities for some more time until customers themselves to come to realize we are equally good as other vendors they trust & decide to use our standalone versions. /sumedha > > Paul > > > On 1 September 2010 10:45, Supun Kamburugamuva <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The features provided by App Servers like JBoss, WebLogic may not be >> available in tomcat and our users may not be able to use those. For >> example I'm pretty sure WebLogic like servers will have more advanced >> ways of monitoring and management capabilities. >> >> Thanks, >> Supun.. >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Paul Fremantle <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The big problem with this is not architecture but customers. Many of our >> > customers *cannot* deploy Carbon standalone because their ops teams will >> not >> > allow it. They require us to be deployed into an existing App Server >> > environment. >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > On 1 September 2010 10:03, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> As you know, Carbon servers can run in standalone mode or can be >> deployed >> >> within an Application Server. This has caused us major architectural >> >> constraints & issues since we have to start an OSGi container within >> the >> >> Carbon webapp, while the Carbon webapp itself runs within a servlet >> >> container. We've had to put in many ugly workarounds to make this setup >> >> work, and still have some limitations. If we drop support for running >> Carbon >> >> as a webapp, then we can simply start an OSGi container, and run the >> servlet >> >> container as a bundle deployed on this OSGi container. Also, now that >> we >> >> have support for deploying webapps, it doesn't make sense to have a >> webapp >> >> (Carbon) which allows you to deploy other webapps within it, This will >> be >> >> architecturally clean as well. >> >> So, is every in agreement with going ahead with this? Thoughts welcome. >> >> -- >> >> Afkham Azeez >> >> Senior Software Architect & Senior Manager; WSO2, Inc.; >> http://wso2.com, >> >> >> >> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >> >> email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 >> >> blog: http://blog.afkham.org >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez >> >> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez >> >> >> >> Lean . Enterprise . 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