On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe <sam...@wso2.com> wrote:
> And the reality is that not all products want a dashboard as part of the > management console. > > Dashboard is more useful with monitoring and better fits in products like > BAM. > > Note that, even in BAM, the main dashboard is not that useful with many > tabs loaded for different views. I usually use the JSP pages in BAM as the > dashboard is slow to load and gadgets are not reliably working. So it is > more useful to focus on: > 1. Support multiple dashboards instead of the loads of tabs on the same > dashboard > 2. Make gadgets slick, fast and always work like the DB + JSP experience. > > In other words, we are better off focusing on making this feature better > behave where it matters, rather than focusing on pushing this for all > products. > > And if other products want dashboards for better UI experience, why not > simply use something simple like: > http://connect.gxsoftware.com/dashboardplugin/demo/dashboard_multiple.html??? > Well I meant to really send this: http://jqueryui.com/demos/sortable/#portlets > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Nuwan Bandara <nu...@wso2.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sanj...@wso2.com>wrote: >> >>> Nuwan what I meant is that its a dependency any product team can choose >>> to take .. rather than it being in the core. I agree if users have to >>> install extra features no one will use it! >> >> >> ya got your point. will proceed with that approach. also in a related >> note, this will be a good addition for our AppDev framework, people can >> embed gadgets to their webapps without a hassle if we provide the feature >> with the AppDev library. Just a thought >> >> Regards, >> /Nuwan >> >> >>> >>> Sanjiva. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Nuwan Bandara <nu...@wso2.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Yes I do understand that most products still dont have a clear vision of >>>> having a dashboard in their products. But I do believe the ability to embed >>>> gadgets in any of the pages will come in handy in many cases. With this >>>> feature even AS uses can create WebApps that can embed gadgets and install >>>> them in AS. >>>> >>>> I proposed this to be added to the core-ui is simply because this will >>>> enrich our UI and provide a pluggable architecture at the UI level. I do >>>> understand the concern about the size and will work more on making it >>>> smaller. However I believe if we just make it an installable feature, *no >>>> one will develop a UI component* with it, simply because to make it >>>> working you will have to install an extra feature. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> /Nuwan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Hiranya Jayathilaka >>>> <hira...@wso2.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Right now the ground reality is, not many products use the dashboard >>>>> stuff. Also AFAIK many products currently don't have a clear vision on how >>>>> to integrate a dashboard into the product UIs. So until we get those >>>>> issues >>>>> sorted I don't think we should add this to the Carbon core. In the mean >>>>> time >>>>> perhaps we can look for ways to reduce the size of these components and >>>>> figure out better ways to integrate them with the products. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Hiranya >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Nuwan Bandara <nu...@wso2.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Azeez, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Afkham Azeez <az...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> -1 to increasing the distribution size. Big -1 to this addition. >>>>>>> Adding everything to carbon core violates the component model. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I agree the bundle is bulky in Size, and doing our best to reduce its >>>>>> size (discussion on* [carbon-dev]Shindig upgrading effort*) it was >>>>>> 20MB before and we have managed to reduce it to 12MB. >>>>>> >>>>>> About the component model; is there another mechanism you suggest to >>>>>> have this feature to be integrated with the carbon-core ui, the >>>>>> objective of >>>>>> this feature is, that any UI component developer can add a gadget simply >>>>>> from a tag, like we add properties etc. if we make this a separate >>>>>> component >>>>>> IMO we cannot get the model working. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you suggest the correct way in doing this if it violates the >>>>>> component model. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> /nuwan >>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> Sent from my phone >>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2011 4:19 PM, "Nuwan Bandara" <nu...@wso2.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > Hi All, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We have done some work around gadget rendering, and we have >>>>>>> developed a new >>>>>>> > feature so that if you need a gadget in you page you do not need >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > dashboard to show them. You can simply create a tag and add the >>>>>>> gadget URL >>>>>>> > and the UI part will be available in ur page. an example would be >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > <c:gadget url="/foo.xml" height="100" width="100" >>>>>>> class="gadget-style" /> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > once you add above tag you can place the gadget where ever you want >>>>>>> in your >>>>>>> > page. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > This feature can come in handy in many ways where you want to mix >>>>>>> static and >>>>>>> > dynamic information. We are working on revamping the system >>>>>>> statistics page >>>>>>> > with this new method just to demonstrate as a POC. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > However in-order to make this available we will have to add shindig >>>>>>> a part >>>>>>> > of carbon-core. Shindig is at the moment is 14.3MB and it will go >>>>>>> down for >>>>>>> > about 12MB with fixes to bundle plugin, hence this will increase >>>>>>> the size of >>>>>>> > the distribution in 12MBs. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > However I believe there are many advantages in having this as part >>>>>>> of our >>>>>>> > core UI framework. for an example Google it self is pushing this >>>>>>> model in >>>>>>> > almost all the pages they published recently [1]. I believe this >>>>>>> feature can >>>>>>> > be quite helpful for products like BPS, GREG and BAM directly. By >>>>>>> having >>>>>>> > this you can have functionalities like intercommunication between >>>>>>> UI parts, >>>>>>> > unified way to show analytics/statistics and any other dynamic >>>>>>> content. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > comments and ideas welcome. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > [1] http://code.google.com/apis/opensocial/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > *Thanks & Regards, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Nuwan Bandara >>>>>>> > Senior Software Engineer >>>>>>> > WSO2 Inc. | http://wso2.com >>>>>>> > lean . enterprise . middleware >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://nuwan.bandara.co >>>>>>> > * >>>>>>> > <http://www.nuwanbando.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Carbon-dev mailing list >>>>>>> Carbon-dev@wso2.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/carbon-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Thanks & Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nuwan Bandara >>>>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>>>> WSO2 Inc. | http://wso2.com >>>>>> lean . enterprise . middleware >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nuwan.bandara.co >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Architecture mailing list >>>>>> architect...@wso2.org >>>>>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka >>>>> Associate Technical Lead; >>>>> WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.org >>>>> E-mail: hira...@wso2.com; Mobile: +94 77 633 3491 >>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Architecture mailing list >>>>> architect...@wso2.org >>>>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Thanks & Regards, >>>> >>>> Nuwan Bandara >>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>> WSO2 Inc. | http://wso2.com >>>> lean . enterprise . middleware >>>> >>>> http://nuwan.bandara.co >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Architecture mailing list >>>> architect...@wso2.org >>>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ >>> email: sanj...@wso2.com; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | >>> +1 650 265 8311 >>> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >>> >>> Lean . 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