Hi Susheel,
I am really sorry that you take what i said as promotion of a
commercial solution. Like I mentioned I only said your idea was good
and that use of AJAX would work very well.
My post was only to second your idea that AJAX would be good for
the components that you mentioned. For your information we use AJAX
through out our applications (not only the HMS that we built) as a
standard.
As for "By fishing
for potential users of care 2x from this mailing list and making them
customers of a proprietary solution would eventually result in the
death of this project." My intention is not to cause some thing that
will result in the death of this project. ON THE CONTRARY, I believe
that open source projects will live despite any efforts by people to
try to kill them, so my intention was not to kill this project or any
other.
More over for an open source project there should not be concern
that it will lose customers to a proprietary solution, but should make
efforts to provide a strong case for clients to choose it despite
commercial solutions. So let us on this list not be concerned that
care2x is losing customers to a commercial solution, but work to
improve it.
As for my belief about the project, (which i mentioned to you
before), care2x is a good start for a hospital information system, but
the way it has grown, it needs to be refactored a lot to make it really
good. (I am not starting a flame about care2x, but am only mentioning
my personal opinion).
As for no solution like care2x coming out of the country, there
are various reasons for that. To list just one (some thing that we
experienced with deploying care2x itself about 3 years back); When we
as independent vendors go to hospitals which need a HIS and say we will
deploy care2x in your hospital, the cost of implementation will be X
amount, the way people look at it is "Hey guys you want to deploy an
opensource solution, and want to charge us for that! "
For the indian context also I believe we need to make a lot of
changes to care2x to make it work for us rather than look at it as "ok
we have some thing free, let us TRY to use it by chaning the way we
work to suit the way care2x works."
Thanks for closing the mail with some thing that drives me too,
these lines are wonderful and inspiring, let me also end it with the
same.
Where the mind is without fear and the head is
held high;
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow
domestic walls;
Where words come out from the depth of truth;
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection:
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary
desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is lead forward by thee into ever-widening thought and
action—
Into that heaven of freedom, my
Father, let my country awake.
Let care2x group's mind "be without fear of commercial vendors
trying to take the initiative from care2x away" Let us grow to make
care2x better so that when a commercial vendors says hey i have this,
we should be able to say, we have it too.
When there is truth, let us accept it and be open to it, to reach
towards perfection.
I have been with care2x for quite some time and have been
following the project for the past three years with the wish that it
will grow to a state where it will be accepted as a wonderful, easily
customizable product.
I work with opensource projects like exoplatform, mambo, smarty,
pear, struts, spring and others which are not threatened by other
commercial equivalents but have taken the market in their own
strenghts. I believe Care2x can do the same and if it turns
out that it cannot, there is no reason mourning it.
Thanks,
Sarath.
Susheel John wrote:
Hi Sarath
I have nothing against proprietary software , please dont get me wrong.
But using a GPL discussion forum to promote ones commercial solution is
not in line with the ethos of the "open source" community. By fishing
for potential users of care 2x from this mailing list and making them
customers of a proprietary solution would eventually result in the
death of this project.
If AJAX features are not available on care2x , then we should all work
towards getting that incorporated into care2x rather than find a
suitable alternative in a Proprietary and Closed source solution.
Is it not a shame that despite India being a leading exporter of
software there is no implemenation of a robust solution like
care2x worth mentioning in our country ?.
I close with a few lines from Gitanjali by Tagore
Where
the mind is without fear and
the head is held high;
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow
domestic walls;
Where words come out from the depth of truth;
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection:
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary
desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is lead forward by thee into ever-widening thought and
action—
Into that heaven of freedom,
my Father, let my country awake.
regards
susheel
On 1/9/06, Sarath
Chandra K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hi
Susheel,
You are right that the solution that we have is a Proprietary
solution, but we provide the source to our customers under adequate
controls (to ensure that the code is not released from the client by
accident or intention). Extension of our product is possible by clients
implementing some of the APIs directly and making modifications to the
UI by themselves.
We support our customers through various communication tools like
wikis, feature/bug lists, rss feeds, etc to give a continuous hold about
what is happenning with the development. We follow many processes that
you would expect in OSS environments, so I believe for our customers we
provide an open solution that they donot have to be dependent upon in
the case of lack of support from us at some point in time in the future.
As for my post, I was only seconding your thought that using AJAX
adds a lot of value to the user's perspective in terms of usability.
Thanks and Regards,
Sarath.
Susheel John wrote:
> Hi Sarath
> //
> /is not your product using AJAX a "*CLOSED and Proprietary*"
solution
> ?, correct me if I am wrong. /
>
> /susheel/
>
> 1/6/06, *Edmundo Barbosa* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>
> I would like more details about AJAX and
> inventory, pharmacy and billing modules
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Edmundo Barbosa
>
>
> */Sarath Chandra K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/*
escreveu:
>
> Hi,
>
> With our product we have been using AJAX from around 2003
and the
> inventory, pharmacy and billing modules are very easy for
> users to use.
>
>
> Sarath.
>
> Susheel John wrote:
>
> > HI /"However hungry a tiger might be it never eats
grass"./
> Doesnt
> > VB kill the web based functionality of Care2x ?,
unless you have
> > used VB.net !. PHP offers so much more FREEDOM to do
things
> as you
> > want. With AJAX you can have a real time billing a nd
> inventry thats
> > simply world class.
> >
> > regards susheel
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/5/06, *[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I am Ashley Leonard working for my own company (in
South
> Africa) ,
> > promoting OS products. Yes I think there is always
benefit to
> > develop in Open languages. Pls send me more detail on
what you
> > have done with VB ('Very Bad') and we can re-write in
an OS
> > language like php.
> >
> > Cheers Ashley
> >
> > Original Message: ----------------- From: Florencio
Marchelli
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
> Tue,
> > 03 Jan 2006 16:28:05 -0600 To:
> > [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]
>
> > Subject: Re:
> > [Care2002-developers] ^ 3 Implementaciòn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http-equiv="Content-Type">
> > bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Estimados,
>
> Mi nombre es
> > Florencio Marchelli y si bien soy de Mar del Plata
(Argentina)
> > estoy viviendo en Costa Rica y trabajando como
Gerente de TI
> en el
> > primer hospital universitario de la región.
>
> Nosotros
> > implantamos el Care 2X con muchísimo éxito y hemos
hecho un
> > desarrollo en Visual Basic que se conecta con la base
de
> datos del
> > Care 2X para los procesos de facturación,
inventarios, compras,
> > reportes estadísticos y demás que nos pedían acá.
>
>
> > Utilizamos VB porque era la herramienta que teníamos
a mano y la
> > que ya conocían los dos programadores que tengo acá.
La idea es
> > pasar eso a una plat aforma de programación más
"open", pero
> no por
> > ahora porque no nos alcanza el tiempo.
>
> Si les sirve,
> > podríamos trabajar colaborativamente para mejorar
estos
> anexos al
> > Care2X y beneficiarnos todos.
>
> Que opinan?
>
>
> > Florencio
>
> ENGLISH / TARZAN VERSION
>
> Dear all,
>
> >
> My name is Florencio Marchelli, I´m from Argentina but I´m
> > living in Costa Rica and I´m a IT manager for the
first
> > Universitary Hospital in Central American region.
>
> We end
> > the implementation of Care 2X with success and we
made a
> > complimentary development using Visual Basic by
connecting
> the Care
> > 2X database with billing, inventary, supply chain and
> statistics
> > processes the administration needed.
>
> We used VB because
> > it´s the tool our programmers know better. Our
project is to
> > change it to another more "open" programming
platform, but
> no for
> > now because we are lack of time.
>
> If You think it´s
> > usefull, we can work together to improve this
complements for
> > Care2X and get benefits from this effort.
>
> What do you
> > think?
>
> Florencio
>
> Paulo Luis Mariano Pérez
> > escribió:
>
>
> > type="cite">
> Estimado Lic.
> Cual es tu nombre y
> > profesion?
> Mi nombre es Paulo Perez, soy analista de
>
> sistemas y soy de Posadas, Misiones. Te cuento que estuve
>
> analizando el Care2x, lo tengo instalado en mi Pc y funciona
>
> bastante bien. Lo unico que presento inconvenientes es la
>
> generacion de codigos de barras en general, cosa que no
> he revisado
> > a fondo aún
> Quisiera que me amplies el tema de las
> > estadisticas que mencionas en tu correo
> Estoy muy
>
> interesado en recibir informacion acerca de los flujos
> de trabajo
>
> del hospital para poder implementarlo en un hospital
> publico de
>
> aqui de posadas. Quizas vos puedas darme esa informacion.
>
> >
> El día 27/12/05, *
>> class="gmail_sendername">Lic. F.L. Princich* <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> escribió:
>
>
>
> class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
> rgb(204, 204,
>
> 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> hola
>
> Daniel y Albeiro, ayer lo hice arrancar al Care2x en
> mi pc, instale
>
> el phptriad y dpues cree la db e i nstale el
> sistema. todo muy
> > bien.
> TE comento que en el sitio
>
> target="_blank">care2x.org <http://care2x.org/>, hay
> muy poca
>
> info en español sobre la configuracion del sistema,
> es decir yo
>
> necesito la configuracion necesaria para
> implementarlo en un
>
> hospital de aca. configurar servicios, camas,
> medicos, etc.
>
> >
>
Les comento tambien, que me esta rondando en la
> cabeza, desde
>
> que probe el sistema, fuertes ideas o ganas de
> migrar lo que ya
>
> tengo hecho hacia el sistema care2x, lo que me esta
> frenando un
>
> poco ahora para no hacerlo todavia, son las
> particularidades que
>
> tenemos aca en la region, como por ejemplo informes
> estadisticos,
>
> la facturacion, etc. Me decia un amigo que esta en
> el tema de open
>
> source que esas necesidades las tengo que poner en
> el sitio de
>
> desa rrollo y por ahi se arma un grupo que puede
> desarrollarla. PEro
>
> bueno, son cosas que las deberia ir viendo mas
> adelante.
>
> >
>
Por otra parte, si alguien de argentina estan en la lista,
>
> alguien que lo haya implementado en argentina, me
> interesaria de
>
> sobre manera contactarme con esa persona, de ese
> modo preguntarle
>
> algunas cosas especificas; como por ejemplo los
> informes
>
> estadisticos que a nivel nacional solicitan, etc.
>
> >
>
Saludos, mas que cordiales, para todos.
> Buena
> > Vida!!!
>
>
>
>> id="q_1086c401e0e47246_1">
> On
>> 12/24/05, *root* <
>> href=""mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
>> target="_blank"> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>
>
>> class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
>
rgb(204, 204,
>> 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left:
>
1ex;">El Sáb 24 Dic
>> 2005 13:54, Dr. med. Daniel Hinostroza C. escribió:
>
>> > Hola Albeiro y Fernando,
>
>
Ya hallé el enlace para
>> > XAMPPlite. Está en:
>
>
HYPERLINK
> "
>> href=""http://saludlibre.org/ipathcare/iPath-care2x.zip%22http://saludlibre">http://saludlibre.org/ipathcare/iPath-care2x.zip%22http://saludlibre
>
>> . org/ipa" target="_blank">
>> http://saludlibre.org/ipathcare/iPath-care2x.zip"http://saludlibre.org/ipa
>>
>>
>>
>
>> > t hcare/iPath-care2x.zip
>
>
>
>
La dirección que
>> > Albeiro escribió apunta al XAMPP completo.
>
>
El XAMPPlite
>> > de salud libre tiene dentro a iPath y Care2x.
>>
>
>> >
>
Saludes a todos,
>
>
Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>> >
>
_____
>
>
De: Ing. Aranzazu [mailto:
>>
>> href=""mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
>> target="_blank">
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ]
>
>> > Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Diciembre de 2005 16:54
>
Para:
>> >
>> href=""mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]
>
>> "
>> target="_blank">
>
[email protected]
>>
>
>> > Asunto: [Care2002-developers] Implementaciòn
>
>
>
>
>> > este es el enlace para descargar el XAMPP
>
>
HYPERLINK
>
>> > "
>> href=""http://www.apachefriends.org/en/%22http://www.apachefriends.org/en/%22">http://www.apachefriends.org/en/%22http://www.apachefriends.org/en/"
>> target="_blank">
>> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/"http://www.apachefriends.org/en/
>
>
>>
>> >
>
>
>
buena suerte..y felices fiestas para todos...
>
>> >
>
>
>
Ing. Albeiro Aranzazu
>
>
Buenaventura -
>> > Colombia
>>
>
>> >
>
movistar (57) 3155880889
>
>>
>
Desde Venezuela y la UCV felices pascuas y
>
prospero año nuevo
>> 2006
>
Me encuentro revisando toda la informacion sobre su
>> sistema publicada en la
>
web y quisiera colaborar con la
>> implementacion del sistema en Venezuela.
>
Lo mas problable es
>> que existan personas trabajando ya en el pais
>
sobre el
>
tema
>> pero seria interesante aportar ideas y
>
conocimientos a su
>
&g t; extranet.
>
Alejandro Alvarado
>
IMF -Facultad de Ingenieria de
>> la UCV
>
>
04164065934
>
>
>
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