Mine was on the second slip up from the harbor patrol office in front of what I believe is now the Beach House. I was 3rd in from the end real easy to sail right into sure mess that spot. Wee always went up the coast then out around or above Laguna sometimes as far as Corona Del Mar but as you say allot was due to the iron genie. It's the Late Sumer early Fall offshore's that make it fun. But then the surf is good at that time too right around the corner and Dohene at the end of the harbor what to do what to do? It is a tough neighborhood to be stuck in that's for sure have a cold one at El Torito for me always a good happy hour :) Have a great fourth Mike
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: catalina27-talk: Boat HaulingFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:35:29 -0700Mike, I can't really say that C-27 was a SoCal Boat, but last year we had 5 C-27s and a 270 out of 26 slips (28 foot size) on A dock., 25%+ is a pretty good showing for Catalina on one dock. DP to Avalon is almost always an uphill slog, seems like leaving at Midnight with the iron gennie and dropping south toward San Clemente Island or north toward Two Harbors is the favorite routine, Then you can pick up a fresh wind in the morning and make Avalon in a reach. I am ashamed to admit I haven't taken Tequila Chica that far offshore, but there may be some time in October when vacation and weather line up. Jim Tequila Chica A52 Dana Point Island Marina, Dana Point, CA michael mcvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [email protected] 07/02/2007 05:08 PM Please respond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: catalina27-talk: Boat Hauling I used to have a 73 Cat 27 at Dana Island just off of what was Delaney's sea food at that time cost $150 a month that was the mid 80's. Where I am at now Oyster point South San Francisco is $220 per month that is considered expensive average for the area is $130 to $175 most at the higher end. there are less expensive marina's in So Cal but they would be a bit of a drive for anyone in the D.P area. Besides from there it's a fairly easy ride to Catalina so needles to say I'm jealous! miss the bars too but then again we only have 40% occupancy and the wind from hell makes for allot of fun.Hoping all have the best 4th ever (party on Garth)Mike M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: catalina27-talk: Boat HaulingFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:57:45 -0700Just so you know why we gripe about marina fees in Southern California, there are lots more people wanting a slip than slips available. At Dana Point I pay $336 for a 28 ft slip in a county run marina. Plus now the county assessor has found a rule that allows him to charge taxes on the exclusive use of county property by me as a slip renter<value at $9000+ a year times 1%) ~ $90>. To get a crane to lift or drop a mast was quoted at $150 a 1/2 hour, so if you have a stubborn turnbuckle its cheaper to have a sawz-all handy. As for hoisting out, the cheapest I was quoted a couple years ago was $250. for an in and out, with $50 a day yard time. Right now Dana Point is going to eliminate about 400 slips in the below 30 foot category, and put in longer/wider slips for the trawler/motoryacht set. (We have a big name yacht broker who is promising lots of tax$$ to the county). The estimated waiting time for a 33 foot slip is 2 years. A 48 foot slip is 8 years. So they haven't bee selling as many big boats. They (the Harbor District) plan on putting a boat warehouse on the land that's now used as dry storage for below 25 footers for the 400 displaced boats, but haven't said how they would handle sailboats with the problems of masts and rigging, nor how they would handle getting maybe 200 of these boats in the water over something like the 4th of July, or where they'd put them if they could figure out how to get them in the water. The devil is always in the details, and the engineers and tax farmers who pitch this stuff to the County Commissioners avoid that kind of stuff. OK, enough of my rant, who's going to be on the water over the 4th? If you're in Dana Point, stop by A52 in the Dana Island Marina for a beer or a glass of wine. Jim, Tequila Chica, Dana Point, CA michael mcvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [email protected] 06/29/2007 11:39 PM Please respond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: catalina27-talk: Boat Hauling Wow and I feel bad about year round slip fee's well at least I did. Had no Ideat it was so expesive for you guy's in the great white north.Mike M > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:19:16 -0400> Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Boat > Hauling> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> > > > > > To tell the truth, I don't understand the total picture. In other words, I> > don't know how much the other boat club fees may interact with the> > haul-launch fees and perhaps there is some subsidizing. In some respects, we> > have fees like a boat yard, only a lot cheaper.> > But on the big one, the > haul or launch, the general concept is that we split> it by the number of > boats versus the cost of the cranes. My memory, going> back at least a couple > of years, was that the cranes cost about $6,000 for> the day--and the > operators sure earn it. That would only work out to $150> per boat for 40 > boats, but I would never quibble with the math, as you will> see.> > This > single fee per boat gives the fellow with the 38-footer a "better" deal> than > me, but there again, I'd be nuts to complain. Good for him, and good> for > me!> > Here's the general idea as far as I can remember it: A flat fee to > haul or> launch a hull and step/unstep a mast, about $250 each way. A smaller > fee if> you just want to launch a hull or just step a mast. A flat fee to > store a> mast in the club racks (no fee if you put it on top of your boat), > and a> flat fee to store the poppets, both of these about $40 each. A fee by > the> foot for storing the boat for the winter, about $11 a foot.> > (Remind > me to mention that we should give great credit to the treasurer and> all the > other members of the club who work on these details.)> > For a C-27 like > mine, where I do store the mast in the rack, it would come> to $500 plus $40 > plus $40 plus 27 x $11. I think that comes to $877. That> covers the basic > haul-launch, winter storage package for a year.> > I look at that number and > I think back to my experience with my C-25 at a> place called Captain's Cove > in Bridgeport, where they charged fees that made> you gasp, they regularly > damaged your boat on haul and launch and then> pointed to a silly clause in > the yard contract (if you were stupid, you> believed that "we are not > responsible for any damage done to your boat while> it is in our Travel Lift" > was a valid clause), they allowed vandals to> attack your boat whether on > land or at your slip, and they abused you> verbally whenever it was time to > haul or launch. Gee, I miss those> days--NOT!> > It seems to me that any club > is going to be better than a marina, but surely> there are some marina owners > with a good heart, somewhere. There are some> other clubs that are somewhat > like ours, up and down the Connecticut coast.> There are also some rather > pretentious clubs, where the fees definitely must> be a lot higher.> > I > guess I should also mention that when I bought my boat and said where I> > would keep it, the marina owner let slip that we're known in the area as the> > "communists" because we take care of our boats ourselves in this cooperative> > fashion. Our burgee is red, white and blue, though, with American stars, not> > a hammer and sickle.> > > --Dave Shugarts> > > > > On 6/28/07 9:05 AM, "Joe > McCary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > Dave, can you give us an idea how > much this costs per boat/member? Does> > everyone pay the same or is it > proportional to boat size displacement?> > > > Joe McCary> > Aeolus II> > > West River, MD> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -------------------------------------------------------------> > On Behalf Of > David Shugarts> > > > To be on any of these crews takes no particular skill, > but the leaders of> > the crews have a lot of experience and judgment. The > (hired) crane operators> > are very skilled and have been doing this for many > years.> > > > <SNIP>> > > > It's a long day but the savings is enormous, and > we have the satisfaction of> > basically knowing everything that happens to > our boats.> > > > > > Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. Make it count! Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming. 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