Tim,

I don't lie. I make mistakes, true, but I don't lie. I've seen far more convincing fakes, announced as such, than this thing.

Obama's explanation sounds true.

And yes I am a liberal, and FDR, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter liberal. I am 75 years old, and I remember.

And Tim.  I don't lie.

Rudy B.

David Shugarts wrote:


Who says I'm not happy? Who says I'm liberal? Who says I am an Obama
supporter? None of the above is particularly accurate. I just don't like the
dirty tricks.
Yes, if you want to see some real fun, just invite me to your Christmas
party. Lighten up yourself, chief!

--Dave S.




On 11/28/07 6:53 PM, "Patrick R Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Look Dave,
The damn thing was sent to me and I was ( I thought ) deleting it.
I said I'm SORRY !  Take a happy pill  or a drink or something.
Get a grip. I bet your a real bunch of fun at Christmas time
The end
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Shugarts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Obama picture



http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_responds_to
_flag_photo.html


Obama responds to flag photo

by John McCormick

MUSCATINE, Iowa ­ The photo continues to circulate on the Internet and a
voter here this afternoon asked Sen. Barack Obama to explain why he did not
have his hand over his heart in front of a giant American flag when the
other candidates standing next to him did.

Calling the viral e-mail a "classic dirty trick," the Illinois Democrat told
his supporters to correct the record and that the image is not what it
appears to be.

"This is just so irritating," Obama responded. "This was not the Pledge of
Allegiance. This woman was singing the Star Spangled Banner. Now, I was
taught by my grandfather that you put your hands over your heart during the
Pledge of Allegiance. The Star Spangled Banner, you sing. So that's what I
did."

The photo was taken this summer at Sen. Tom Harkin's annual steak fry in
Indianola, Iowa.

"These aren't the only e-mails that are going out," Obama said. "You've got
e-mails saying that I'm a Muslim plant that's trying to take over America
and this and that and the other."

Obama, speaking to about 350 people in the gymnasium of a community center,
advised a polite response to those sending around the message.

"If you get this e-mail from someone you know, set the record straight," he
said. "You don't have to curse them out, just tell them that they are
misinformed."

[story continues about other topics]


On 11/28/07 5:54 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I dont have a dog in this fight as I reject the advances of both the
Stupid Party AND
the Evil Party, but as far as Obama is concerned, the picture is "real" in
that it
has not been Photoshopped®. Unless you believe the NYT is wedded to
knowingly
publishing Photoshopped® images....

If you DO believe the NYT is cavalier about publishing
"doctered" images, I can cite you some cases whereby staff and
wire-service photographers have been fired for doing exactly that. They
take photographic authenticity VERY seriously
at The Times.

Furthermore, it's pretty difficult for an amateur to "doctor" a video, at
least to the extent
the one on Snopes.com would need to be "doctored."

So, while Patrick can be chided for accidently spamming the list with a
photo with content that some find objectionable, he cannot be criticized
for sending out a FAKE photograph
or as someone suggested, perpetuating a lie, as for better or worse, the
photo has not been altered....it is authentic. This is the rare case in
which the people who are spreading the
rumor the photo is FAKE...are actually...dare I say it..........lying.

yours in solidarity,

--tf










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