It sounds to me as if you're trying to fix the symptom, not the problem. Like someone else said "Not to be rude" but how much stuff do you have in the back of the boat, I haven't heard that yet. If the boat doesn't sit on her lines at rest, maybe you just need to put the boat on a diet. Either that or start looking for a bigger problem.
Mark, Gratis (6115) Want to keep your WHOLE PAYCHECK? PLEASE VISIT http://www.fairtax.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:59 PM Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Race Sails & Ballast > You've made some pretty good reasons why adding, particularly this much, > balast is probably a bad idea. Thanks! The boat as she sits in the slip is > not on her lines, about almost a half inch (me thinks, now) too low. > Putting 720 lbs in the cockpit lowers the after end, raising the bow > correspondingly. Ok! I can tell everyone to get their asses forward which > means really ahead of the cabin trunk. I don't think I'm going to have a > happy crew. These are short races so I need them in the cockpit to pull > strings. I need to balance off the boat. The best I can do is to > compensate with balast far enough forward and low enough to even out the > boat without making her tender. I'm agreed, 800 lbs is too much. but 400 > lbs, maybe? I think it remains to be seen come springtime and launch to > see how much we really need, if anything. Getting the bow low enough I > think is important to particularly work to weather. We do fairly well with > a 12 to 15 knot wind . Below that we seem to fail to keep up. That seems > to indicate our healing is improving our water line length. Downwind with > our symetrical spinnaker we beat the hell out of most and I can put the crew > anywhere. On a reach we tend to slip back with a 155% #1 or the spinnaker > if we can carry it. > > It's a good discussion, and worthwhile, I hope. > > Dave Hoy > WYANOKEE #6295 > Camden, Maine > > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Race Sails & Ballast > > > > Dave, without sounding rude, may I ask how much each of your crew weighs? > > My goodness, they must be super-sized if you are having that much trouble > > keeping the bow down. > > > > They must obviously be forward of the helm, and if they are seated just > > aft of the cabin trunk, they cant be contributing THAT much to dragging > > your stern. Are you sure there isn't something really heavy in a cockpit > > locker or a quarter berth that is contributing to the boat being stern > > heavy? Does it float on its lines in the slip or on the mooring? Do you > > have a really heavy O/B sticking way out on a mount? (I thought you had an > > I/B) > > > > I think the Catalina 27s in and around Annapolis MD are probably some of > > the fastest on the planet. To my knowledge, I know of no one who is > > employing additional ballast anywhere on the boat. Chris D and Peter Z > > would certainly know better than me, but I would be surprised if they > > didnt say the same thing. I have raced on a bunch of these myself, both in > > Annapolis and Baltimore and Berkeley YC and no one I've ever seen has put > > ballast anywhere else besides the keel. > > > > But: if you still feel the need.... > > > > however you deploy that lead, it is going to need to be secured so that > > every time you pound into a wave it doesnt slam down on relatively lightly > > reinforced hull and topsides areas. My boat (hull 2286) had a decent > > enough layup, I felt, but it was hardly a Westsail 32 and I would never > > have entertained the notion of spreading lead around anywhere but directly > > over the keel sump. > > > > If you put 800 pounds of lead in the boat, you then would have a 7600 > > pound 27 foot boat on less than 22 feet of waterline. Your acceleration > > out of tacks will be miserably slow and your light air performance will be > > gawd-awful. Your SA/displacement number will be at rock bottom and the > > Rangers and Pearsons you race against will be eating your lunch and maybe > > your dinner and breakfast, too. > > > > And like Peter or Chris or somebody else said, you really ought to be > > balancing the boat by shifting crew weight forward...does no one aboard > > want to sit on the rail? > > > > tf > > > > > > > > > >> If I spread out 800 lbs. of lead forward of the holding tank is there an > >> inherent problem taxing or burdening the structure or integrety of the > >> hull? This is what I estimate is necessary to balance the boat with the > >> crew in normal position, on her lines, then. > >> > >> Dave Hoy > >> WYANOKEE #6295 > >> Camden, Maine > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM > >
