I don't profess to have any knowledge whatsoever when it comes to fluid
dynamics, I have just been going on threads on SA and bits and pieces of
knowledge that I've read from different designers.

I think that as far as high performance (e.g., sport boats, hulls that
will plane
off the wind) sailboats are concerned, a bulb on a keel foil is pretty
much the
name of the game. Certainly heavy displacement and cruising boats will
look toward other keel configurations. But the NACA foils offsets have pretty
much been determined to be the go-to configurations for fast keel struts
in the sportboat world. There are a few arguments over whether a 0011 section
might be faster than a 0012 seciton (with a resulting decrease in
strength/robustness
to loads, etc) for example, but the 0012 shape seems to be the chevy
pickup when
it comes to most foil sections below the waterline.

These are fairly simple shapes. Pretty easy for an amateur to cut with a
hot wire,
or for a CNC machine to do it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7uvq4RlhHM)
I can certainly imagine that areonautical designers would have the need to
come up
with more complex shapes for specialized, shape-specific demands, executed
at high speed with enormous G-force loads in the atmosphere, and new
materials and production techniques would allow for a huge amount of
variability when it comes to foil offsets these days.

But these are just simple symmetrical foils shapes that you can order up
and get made pretty cheaply on-line...I just ordered a 54" piece of
spyderfoam cut to NACA0012 sections,
for about a hundred bux incl. delivery. It's a dream-world out there now
for home boat (or aircraft) builders!

tf




> My ears perk up here. First, I confess ignorance. Are boat keels based on
> NACA foils, and do they apply to water, as opposed to air? Perhaps there
> was
> a series of NACA foils intended for water? I just never paid attention to
> that part of things, although I studied NACA airfoils for my own purposes
> many years ago. I vaguely recall a factor called Reynolds Number that
> would
> govern foils in various media, such as air and water. Can you elaborate?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave S.
>
> PS--I was just a layman studying the foils at the time, but I went through
> them all pretty carefully. It seemed to me that they were kind of empircal
> in nature. I got the impression that the great virtue of a NACA foil, for
> an
> aircraft designer of the 1930s or 1940s, was that it was thoroughly tested
> and predictable. However, it seemed as though a lot of developments of
> later
> decades, such as the Clark-Y, not to mention variable sweeps and tapers,
> variable chords and foils in a given wing, etc., began to favor departures
> from the NACA foils (except when mere predictability was the goal, as in
> vertical stabilizer foils). So, although I later got into aviation writing
> and was constantly looking for NACA foils, I didn't find many in the wings
> of light aircraft. In my time, we saw NASA come out with the GAW-1, and I
> have always assumed that later, composite aircraft designers were free to
> work with an infinitely variable foil in mind.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/16/08 8:40 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>> but they also value every advantage they can  get.
>>
>> key words^, huh?
>>
>> nice explanation, Chris.
>>
>> So I guess Compu-Keel is still around?
>>
>> http://www.compukeel.com/
>>
>> odd because you get NACA foil specs on-line for free...but I guess all
>> class
>> legal keels cant be derived from NACA sections.
>>
>> tf
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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