Phil, that some amazing stuff you have going on there. It raises a question though, most hinged stepped mast I see hinge forward to lower the mast. I have always thought it made more since to bring it aft since there is more room aft. The trade off though is the loss in workable height in the cockpit as compared to the deck height where the mast is stepped. I'm curious as to your reasons for having it lower towards the rear of the boat.
Also I don't have the mechanical eye that you do, why wouldn't your system work on a C27? Here's a site I've found about lowering the mast with an A-frame: http://www.catalina27.org/SN-FTP/mastraising.jpg -Ivan It does seem to take at least 2 people with three of four probably being preferred. --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Philip J Agur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Philip J Agur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: catalina27-talk: hinged mast step: was Running Rigging To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 6:15 AM Ivan, Yes I have a hinged step, well actually not, it is a tabernacle. An actual hinge would be preferable. If you click on Wing Tip in my signature it should take you to the C270 profile page. If you click on the photo of Wing tip it will take you to Wing Tip’s web page. You’ll find the mast raising system has a page, separately there’s a picture of the tabernacle mast step, the Mast Rolling/Hauling Set-up, and a drawing to the walk through mast carrier. It will be obvious that what worked on my C270 won’t work on a C27 but the elements that would be needed are the same. A mast hinge or tabernacle A lowered mast catch or support that stops the mast before it contacts on the deck A suspended pivot ring in line with the pivot point of the hinge Side guide wires for the mast and gin pole from the pivot ring A 12ft (?) gin pole so the lifting rigging maintains a good working angle A load transfer bit so the pole in just used in compression and the jaws are not strained A suitable 4:1 tackle set with roughly 60 feet of line I was once asked to rescue a CAL25 from a lake that was receding quickly so I made a temporary version of this set-up using vinyl covered galvanized wire, galvanized steel fittings, and heavy 3-4” PVC pipe as the gin pole. There was a hinge but no suitable ring at the base of the mast. I ground the pipe base to the mast profile, cut a couple of square hole in the sides and passed a nylon strap through them to secure the pole near the mast base. We reset the pads on my trailer from an old CAL sketch and had a diver fine tune. But the mast was down and the boat was out in just a few hours. There is also an wooden A frame technique used on C27s without a mast hinge. I’ve republish the Mainsheet article a few times over the years but failed to find a copy on my first pass look. I’ll look again. It’s not a single handed adventure. If I remember correctly it takes a team of four. The A frame has to be taller than the spreaders by a few feet. It gets stood just in front of the mast and secured with rope stays. The mast is then raised off the mast mouse, any electrical is disconnected, and the mast is then rotated using guide lines from each end as it is lowered to the deck. I think the electrical is the most dangerous part, if a finger was under the mast and the raised mast slipped down it could take a finger off. So treat it like a car on a jack. Don’t put anything under it your not willing to lose. Phil Agur s/v Wing Tip Secretary, C270 LE #184 IC27/270A MMSI 366901790 www.catalina27.org Vessel Doc# 1039809 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ivan Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: catalina27-talk: hinged mast step: was Running Rigging Thanks for all of the info Phil. This lowering the mast singlehandedly... Does that involve a hinged step? If so how do you like that? I'm thinking of converting from my fixed step. Also any drawings or pictures of this setup? youtube video? I'll be calling SECO at lunch today to get all of the details of the standing rigging replacing process. Thanks for all your help!!! -Ivan --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Philip J Agur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Philip J Agur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: catalina27-talk: Running Rigging To: [email protected] Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 7:30 AM Ivan, The how changes from brand to brand. I suspect I could change one with the mast up but Iʼm pretty handy when it comes to rigging. I engineering and built the rigging to lower my mast in a few hours sitting on a dock in Richmond.. I lowered it single handed when I was done and hauled her out that evening. CD has sold copies of my rigging to other C270 owners. On our Schaefer 750 you can loosen set screws to raise a cover at the base of the foil to expose the turnbuckle. You simply unscrew the upper stud from the turnbuckle and it will pass up through the foil. Thereʼs at least one brand of furler that required a fitting be crimped after the wire has been thread through the foil. Be sure you determine the brand and model number of the furler before you talk with a rigging supplier. Phil Agur s/v Wing Tip Secretary, C270 LE #184 IC27/270A MMSI 366901790 www.catalina27.org Vessel Doc# 1039809 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ivan Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Running Rigging Thanks Kevin, Sounds like that will be easier than I thought. Have you ever changed a forestay? Any tips? --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Kevin Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Kevin Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Running Rigging To: [email protected] Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:17 AM Hello Ivan, yes the forestay runs through the foil. :-) Kevin M. Morton S/V Serenity #1920 _/)_ --- On Thu, 11/6/08, ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: catalina27-talk: Running Rigging To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:39 AM Hello all, I decided to go with the all rope halyards since my current wire/rope halyards have frayed pretty badly this year. When I took a trip up the mast to see what would be involved in changing the sheaves I noticed that my forestay had some broken wires in that as well. So the mast is coming down, with a crane, instead of waiting for it to come down on it's own! Does anyone have a good source for running rigging? I have a roller furler and don't really know much about changing the forestay with one of these. It looks like it just runs through the foil, but without being able to take it off I haven't really tired to figure it out yet. So if anyone can offer some help with that I would certainly appreciate it! -Ivan
